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Tom Barrass (Claremont) 192cm, 81kg How did we miss this Western Australian player for so long? I don't care if he's an unfashionable 192cm tall or the fact that our drafting record is poor. We must get this kid on name alone!!!

Good weekend for the Melbourne/Casey Scorpions alignment with an 100% winning result this time.

I've just realised Redleg that you have more excuses for your horses performing poorly than I have for my footy team. If it makes you feel better, after reading a few threads on this forum I'm convinced the problem is not the horses but the jockeys. What happened at Geelong today?

Boyd, the big tip for #1 injured and in a moonboot after the game. Potential No.1 draft pick Tom Boyd suffers ankle injury at Under-18 Championships WESTERN AUSTRALIA 1.2.8 3.6.24 8.7.55 12.9 (81) VIC METRO 6.2.38 8.6.54 12.9.81 15.10 (100) GOALKICKERS Western Australia: Johnson 4, Marsh 3, McCarthy 3, Barrass, Cameron Vic Metro: Lennon 4, Boyd 3, Honeychurch 2, Maginness 2, Apeness, Curnow, Kennedy-Harris, Salem BEST Western Australia: Smith, C.Cameron, D.Cameron, Waterman, Johnson, Marsh Vic Metro: Honeychurch, McDonald, Kelly, Cavarra, McStay, Lennon, Apeness And here's some more Under 18 championships and draft reading (from earlier rounds): AFL.com.au's top 20 draft prospects Division two dreamers Elite young Victorian talent takes to the field Reports from the crossover rounds: Vic Country forward Clayton McCartney boots six as U18 carnival fires up U18s: Cavarra runs riot for under-strength Metro Scharenberg stars for SA Sheed boosts standing in big WA win VIC Metro Round 1 Standouts - http://madmondayshow.com/2013/06/02/vic-metro-game-1-standouts/ SA Round 1 Standouts - http://madmondayshow.com/2013/06/03/sa-round1/ WA Round 1 Standouts - http://madmondayshow.com/2013/06/03/wa-round1/ VIC Country Round 1 Standouts - http://madmondayshow.com/2013/06/03/vic-country-round-1-standouts-u18-championships/ Aish, Hourigan star for SA Smith sets gold standard for WA Falcons star as Vic Country downs Tasmania Draft expectations rise as Tom Boyd kicks six http://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-22/u18-gun-young-neagle-kicks-six-for-nswact-U18 gun: young Neagle kicks six for NSW/ACT Ruckman stars as Tassie secures U18 win

If that happens I'll happily cop the ribbing because our team will be sticking it up theirs. Sticks and stones ...

That's exactly what they (including our own supporters) keep telling us and the only measure of earning respect these days seems to be success on the field and nothing else. Therefore, if the rules of the competition entitle a team that performs poorly over a long period of time to concessions then so be it. The powerful teams are entitled to the best venues and fixtures over the others; its only right then that we claim that to which we're entitled.

Summaries of the opening two rounds:- Round 1 Round 2

THE SQUADS DIVISION 2 New South Wales/ACT Elijah Edwards (Oakleigh) 167cm, 62kg *Collingwood* Michael Gibbons (Murray) 174cm, 70kg Jarrod Thompson (Queanbeyan) 174cm, 70kg Dylan Darby (Bendigo) 176cm, 72kg Brad Watson (Pennant Hills) 177cm, 73kg Lloyd Perris (St George) 179cm, 75kg *Sydney* Darcy Spinks (Ainslie) 179cm, 93kg Tarren Etto (Campbelltown) 179cm, 74kg Doug Bond (Geelong) 180cm, 68kg Matthew Munro (Murray) 181cm, 69kg Jake Barrett (Temora) 182cm, 78kg Harrison Green (Illawarra) 182cm, 71kg Brad Watson (Pennant Hills) 182cm, 73kg Kristian Cary (Murray) 182cm, 81kg Liam Griffiths (Ainslie) 183cm, 78kg Jack Steele (Belconnen) 184cm, 78kg Isaac Heeney (Cardiff) 184cm, 78kg Brydon Hodgson (Murray) 184cm, 73kg Matthew Eastman (Sydney Hills) 185cm, 77kg Jydon Neagle (Murray) 185cm, 77kg Harrison Payne (Murray) 185cm, 83kg Jack Hiscox (Sydney Uni) 185cm, 71kg Kieran Ellis (Murray) 187cm, 73kg Thomas Faul (Ainslie) 187cm, 86kg Chris Yansen (Belconnen) 187cm, 76kg Ned Mabon (North Ballarat) 187cm, 74kg Tim Clowry (Eastlake) 188cm, 78kg Jim Carroll (Wagga) 188cm, 88kg Jedd Clothier (Calder) 189cm, 82kg *Essendon* Ben Halse (Eastlake) 189cm, 82kg Henry Delves (Geelong) 190cm, 83kg Jack Codd-Miller (Western Suburbs) 191cm, 82kg *Hawthorn* Abe Davis (UNSW Easts) 191cm, 89kg Andrew Wall (Wentworth) 191cm, 83kg Mitchell Mahady (Murray) 193cm, 82kg Jeremy Finlayson (Sydney Hills) 193cm, 89kg Logan Austin (Belconnen) 194cm, 85kg Dougal Howard (Wagga) 194cm, 80kg John Haggerty (Sydney Uni) 195cm, 91kg *Collingwood* Thomas Head (Terrigal-Avoca) 197cm, 98kg Max King (Murray) 200cm, 90kg NORTHERN TERRITORY Jake Farrel (Big River) 169cm, 60kg Jerome Motlop (Wanderers) 170cm, 79kg Abraham Ankers (Federal) 171cm, 60kg Shane McAuliffe (Pioneer) 171cm, 69kg William Rioli (Tennant Creek) 172cm, 58kg Mikey Coombes (St Marys) 173cm, 72kg Jarrod Stokes (Darwin) 173cm, 74kg John Schulter (Federal) 174cm, 66kg Daniel Cox (Southern Districts) 174cm, 67kg Willy Rioli (St Marys) 174cm, 88kg Toby Hunkin (Waratahs) 175cm, 66kg Jare Krnjic (Waratah) 177cm, 72kg Braedon McLean (Waratahs) 178cm, 75kg Daniel Myers (South Alice) 178cm, 80kg Andrew Pilbrow (Federal) 179cm, 62kg Leroy Larson (St Marys) 180cm, 68kg Eddie Hampton (Pioneer) 180cm, 77kg Jamie Mavromihalis (Federal) 180cm, 83kg Willie Rioli (St Marys) 180cm, 80kg Peter Chisholm-Espie (Southern Districts) 181cm, 79kg Joe Roberts (Federal) 184cm, 73kg Kevin Renehan (Pioneer) 184cm, 79kg Nakia Cockatoo (Southern Districts) 184cm, 82kg Ben Fuller (Federal) 185cm, 78kg Jordan Scanlon (Southern Districts) 185cm, 86kg Jack Musgrove (St Marys) 186cm, 76kg Jack Long (St Marys) 186cm, 80kg Erinn Wasley-Black (Thunder) 187cm, 78kg Ryan Nyhuis (Nightcliff) 187cm, 75kg Rueben Brown (Pioneer) 187cm, 73kg Neil Vea Vea (Wanderers) 188cm, 89kg Laurie Donation (Darwin) 189cm, 70kg Dylan Gordon (Palmerston) 190cm, 75kg Lachlan McGill (Tiwi Bombers) 190cm, 80kg Aiden Plummer (Tennant Creek) 190cm, 111kg Callan Wilson (Palmerston) 193cm, 67kg Queensland Cassidy Haberfield (Surfers Paradise) 171cm, 72kg James Holland (Southport) 171cm, 76kg Isaac Rokeby (Cairns) 172cm, 66kg Dylan Mutu (Surfers Paradise) 172cm, 67kg James Ives (Aspley) 176cm, 77kg Billy O'Donnell (Broadbeach) 177cm, 70kg Riley Blundell (Morningside) 179cm, 89kg Cameron Stevenson (Maroochydore) 179cm, 67kg Lewis Radford (UQ) 179cm, 75kg Tyler Cornish (Southport) 179cm, 80kg Lachlan Weller (Broadbeach) 179cm, 71kg Darcy Cameron-Reeves (Morningside) 179cm, 70kg Daniel Henderson (Maroochydore) 180cm, 68kg Bill Pendlebury (Morningside) 180cm, 84kg Josh Stiller (Aspley) 180cm, 77kg Sam Gribble (Aspley) 181cm, 81kg Hayden Bertoli-Simmons (Morningside) 183cm, 76kg Isaac Conway (Aspley) 183cm, 85kg Luke Rogerson (Redland) 184cm, 77kg Jacob Watson (Aspley) 185cm, 80kg Jack Taylor (Surfers Paradise) 186cm, 76kg Liam Dawson (Aspley) 188cm, 78kg Jarred Ellis (Broadbeach) 188cm, 80kg James Farley-Smith (Cairns) 189cm, 87kg Lachlan Niland-Rowe (Aspley) 189cm, 79kg Aden Rutledge (Aspley) 190cm, 90kg Darcy Trask (Southport) 191cm, 73kg Jack Goodall (Port Douglas) 191cm, 85kg Cain Tickner (Aspley) 194cm, 91kg Steven Mills (Southport) 195cm, 82kg Nick Jackson (Aspley) 195cm, 85kg Steven Coutts (Mt Gravatt) 195cm, 86kg Angus Watts (Labrador) 195cm, 85kg Matthew Hammelmann (Morningside) 196cm, 84kg Caleb Hay (Nth Rivers) 197cm, 88kg Jonathon Freeman (Aspley) 198cm, 95kg Kieran Brennan (Broadbeach) 200cm, 98kg Archie Smith (Mt Gravatt) 200cm, 97kg Will Kristelly (Maroochydore) 203cm, 97kg Braydon Preuss (Townsville) 203cm, 100kg Tasmania Tasmania Percy Mannering (Hobart) 172cm, 70kg Kade Pitchford (Devonport) 173cm, 72kg Brodie Deverell (Devonport) 175cm, 79kg Matthew Hanson (South Launceston) 177cm, 65kg Jay Foon (North Launceston) 177cm, 70kg Thor Boscott (Lauderdale) 178cm, 80kg Brandt Lee (Devonport) 179cm, 70kg Jay Lockhart (North Launceston) 179cm, 70kg Tim Jones (South Launceston) 180cm, 77kg Brady Grey (Burnie) 180cm, 80kg Zac Webster (Glenorchy) 180cm, 71kg Ashton Dickenson (Clarence) 180cm, 78kg Bryton Mullins (North Launceston) 180cm, 75kg Matt Joseph (Glenorchy) 180cm, 72kg Eli Templeton (Burnie) 182cm, 67kg Jake Smith (Launceston) 182cm, 77kg MacKenzie Willlis (Hobart) 182cm, 80kg Phil Bellchambers (Lauderdale) 183cm, 86kg Daniel Withers (Launceston) 184cm, 72kg Stuart Donnelly (Hobart) 184cm, 75kg Brandon van Buuren (Devonport) 186cm, 77kg Josh McGuinness (Lauderdale) 188cm, 70kg Mitch Hibberd (Clarence) 188cm, 72kg Kade Kolodjashnij (Launceston) 188cm, 76kg Ryan Wiggins (Lauderdale) 190cm, 91kg Jake Kolodjashnij (Launceston) 192cm, 88kg Braden Figg (Lauderdale) 192cm, 92kg Josh Fogarty (Glenorchy) 193cm, 78kg Josh Watts (Glenorchy) 193cm, 72kg Harrison Bailey (Clarence) 193cm, 90kg Alex Lee (Devonport) 196cm, 88kg Alex Pearce (Devonport) 197cm, 82kg Josh Fox (North Hobart) 197cm, 85kg Toby Nankervis (North Launceston) 199cm, 100kg Rohan Bones (Hobart) 202cm, 98kg

THE SQUADS DIVISION 1 South Australia Jake Johansen (Port) 172cm, 62kg Malcolm Karpany (Eagles) 175cm, 71kg Orazio Fantasia (Norwood) 176cm, 64kg Robert Young (Port) 176cm, 63kg Zac Bates (West) 176cm, 72kg Todd McKay (South) 176cm, 77kg James Battersby (Sturt) 177cm, 78kg Campbell Combe (North) 178cm, 83kg Dwayne Wilson (Sturt) 178cm, 75kg Tom Gray (Port) 179cm, 72kg Billy Stretch (Glenelg) 180cm, 67kg Ryan Dijksman (West) 180cm, 73kg Riley Knight (Eagles) 180cm, 73kg Alex Spina (North) 181cm, 74kg Peter Bampton (Norwood) 182cm, 83kg James Aish (Norwood) 183cm, 74kg Sean Lemmens (Port) 184cm, 76kg Josh Pitson (Norwood) 185cm, 74kg George Hewett (North) 185cm, 78kg Luke Dunstan (Eagles) 185cm, 83kg Trent Dumont (Norwood) 185cm, 83kg Seb Wiech (Sturt) 187cm, 85kg Patrick Wilson (Sturt) 188cm, 77kg Luke Reynolds (Port) 188cm, 86kg Nick Favretto (West) 188cm, 88kg Mac Bower (Norwood) 189cm, 77kg Matt Scharenberg (Glenelg) 190cm, 89kg Darcy Hourigan (South) 190cm, 92kg Jake Pitt (Glenelg) 192cm, 75kg Sam Wundke (North) 192cm, 85kg Cameron Giles (Eagles) 195cm, 93kg Mitchell Harvey (North) 195cm, 97kg Ryan Simister (West) 195cm, 100kg Sam Durdin (West) 196cm, 87kg Jesse Watchman (West) 196cm, 91kg Jonathon Ross (Port) 197cm, 84kg Jed Redden (Glenelg) 198cm, 87kg Peter Spurling (Glenelg) 199cm, 85kg Josh Miller (Glenelg) 203cm, 93kg Peter Steffe (South) 205cm, 98kg Vic Country Lewis Taylor (Geelong) 173cm, 73kg Jarman Impey (Murray) 176cm, 78kg Clayton McCartney (Dandenong) 176cm, 70kg Billy Hartung (Dandenong) 176cm, 71kg Alex Saunders (Gippsland) 177cm, 68kg Joe Maishman (Geelong) 178cm, 71kg Zachary Merrett (Sandringham) 178cm, 73kg Jaden McGrath (Bendigo) 179cm, 71kg Josh Pickess (Dandenong) 180cm, 75kg James Tsitas (Geelong) 180cm, 77kg Josh Cashman (Gippsland) 180cm, 75kg Darcy Lang (Geelong) 181cm, 75kg Zak Jones (Dandenong) 181cm, 74kg Matt Crouch (North Ballarat) 181cm, 80kg Nathan Drummond (Murray) 181cm, 82kg Aaron Heppell (Gippsland) 181cm, 78kg Bohdi Walker (Gippsland) 182cm, 82kg James Harmes (Dandenong) 183cm, 75kg Jordan Cunico (Gippsland) 184cm, 72kg Lukas Webb (Gippsland) 184cm, 77kg Ben Kearns (Gippsland) 184cm, 79kg Nick Holman (Murray) 186cm, 79kg Jackson Nelson (Geelong) 186cm, 78kg Louis Herbert (North Ballarat) 187cm, 75kg Nicholas Bourke (Geelong) 187cm, 76kg Isaiah Miller (Bendigo) 187cm, 82kg Daniel Capiron (Dandenong) 188cm, 80kg Brady Egan (Dandenong) 188cm, 84kg Jake Maher (Bendigo) 189cm, 82kg Josh Scott (Gippsland) 190cm, 80kg Dallas Willsmore (North Ballarat) 190cm, 81kg Jye Cross (Geelong) 191cm, 85kg Tom Lamb (Dandenong) 191cm, 82kg Darcy Gardiner (Geelong) 192cm, 84kg Patrick McCartin (Geelong) 192cm, 90kg Hugh Goddard (Geelong) 195cm, 92kg Fraser Fort (Geelong) 196cm, 84kg Jack Leslie (Gippsland) 198cm, 93kg Kyle Hendy (North Ballarat) 199cm, 93kg Jake Thomas (Gippsland) 201cm, 89kg Vic Metro Jay Kennedy-Harris (Oakleigh) 173cm, 68kg Ben Cavarra (Eastern) 173cm, 69kg Touk Miller (Calder) 175cm, 77kg Mitchell Honeychurch (Eastern) 175cm, 65kg Nick Evans (Eastern) 178cm, 71kg Jesse Tardio (Northern) 179cm, 72kg Darcy Byrne-Jones (Oakleigh) 180cm, 69kg Karl Amon (Sandringham) 180cm, 73kg Jake Greiser (Western) 180cm, 88kg Nathan Freeman (Sandringham) 181cm, 85kg Hugh Curnow (Northern) 182cm, 73kg Josh Kelly (Sandringham) 182cm, 73kg Will Maginnes (Oakleigh) 182cm, 73kg Jason Cooke (Calder) 183cm, 79kg Christian Salem (Sandringham) 183cm, 82kg Jack Billings (Oakleigh) 183cm, 78kg Aiden Franetic (Oakleigh) 184cm, 79kg Mitchell Keedle (Eastern) 184c, 69kg Christian Petracca (Eastern) 185cm, 96kg Jordan Walker (Eastern) 185cm, 77kg James Siciliy (Western) 186cm, 75kg Ben Lennon (Northern) 187cm, 79kg Joseph Fisher (Eastern) 187cm, 79kg Luke McDonald (Oakleigh) 188cm, 80kg Lachlan Ritchie (Sandringham) 189cm, 78kg Jake Lever (Calder) 190cm, 82kg Lewis Fitzgerald (Oakleigh) 190cm, 82kg Tom Cutler (Oakleigh) 190cm, 86kg Jake Owen (Calder) 191cm, 82kg Max Hayes (Sandringham) 191cm, 86kg Marcus Bontempelli (Northern) 191cm, 83kg Elliot Le Grice (Sandringham) 192cm, 90kg Alex Spencer (Sandringham) 193cm, 83kg Daniel McStay (Eastern) 193cm, 86kg Sean McLaren (Sandringham) 197cm, 91kg Cameron Conlon (Northern) 198cm, 87kg Michael Apeness (Eastern) 199cm, 101kg Thomas Boyd (Eastern) 199cm, 102kg Reilly O'Brien (Calder) 200cm, 95kg Angus Milham (Oakleigh) 210cm, 86kg Western Australia Richard Bourne (East Fremantle) 175cm, 60kg Hayden Kennedy (Subiaco) 175cm, 73kg Clem Smith (Perth) 177cm, 67kg Jarrod Pickett (South Fremantle) 177cm, 74kg Charlie Cameron (Swan Districts) 178cm, 69kg Steven Edwards (Claremont) 178cm, 69kg Aiden Anderson (Swan Districts) 180cm, 75kg Bradley Walsh (Peel) 180cm, 79kg Alec Waterman (Claremont) 181cm, 81kg Ben Sokol (South Fremantle) 183cm, 87kg Blaine Johnson (South Fremantle) 183cm, 82kg Dominic Sheed (Subiaco) 183cm, 82kg Sean Fletcher (Swan Districts) 185cm, 78kg Josh Cuneo (East Fremantle) 185cm, 80kg Brenden Abbott (Claremont) 185cm, 93kg Conor Regan (East Fremantle) 185cm, 71kg Tom Hodgson (East Perth) 185cm, 77kg Ryan Lim (Claremont) 186cm, 75kg Warrick Wilson (Swan Districts) 187cm, 72kg Dylan Main (South Fremantle) 187cm, 75kg Jermaine Miller-Lewis (South Fremantle) 187cm, 74kg Beau Chatley (East Perth) 188cm, 82kg Blake Acres (West Perth) 188cm, 84kg Jarrad Jansen (East Fremantle) 188cm, 91kg Patrick Cripps (East Fremantle) 188cm, 88kg Nick Robertson (West Perth) 188cm, 83kg Dylan Winton (Peel) 189cm, 85kg Thomas Vandeleur (South Fremantle) 191cm, 90kg Tyler Keitel (East Perth) 191cm, 80kg Jonathon Marsh (East Fremantle) 191cm, 89kg Matthew Ah Siu (South Fremantle) 192cm, 76kg Tom Barrass (Claremont) 192cm, 81kg Sam Bevan (Claremont) 193cm, 79kg Aliir Aliir (East Fremantle) 195cm, 86kg Cameron McCarthy (South Fremantle) 195cm, 89kg Jake Solomon (East Fremantle) 197cm, 86kg Hamish Murray (Claremont) 201cm, 95kg Scott Jones (East Perth) 203cm, 100kg Darcy Cameron (Claremont) 203cm, 98kg

The two preliminary rounds of the 2013 NAB AFL Under 18 Championships have been played out and the games that count begin today in Perth where WA Victoria Metro contest the first game for points. The remaining fixture is:- SATURDAY JUNE 15 DIVISION 1 Western Australia vs Victoria Metro at Patersons Stadium 11:20am SUNDAY JUNE 16 South Australia vs Victoria Country at City Mazda Stadium,Adelaide 12pm SUNDAY JUNE 22 DIVISION 2 NSW/ACT vs Northern Territory at Blacktown 12pm Tasmania vs Queensland at Blundstone Arena,Hobart 12pm FRIDAY JUNE 28 DIVISION 1 Victoria Metro vs Western Australia at Simonds Stadium 12:35pm South Australia vs Victoria Country at Simonds Stadium 2:35pm SATURDAY JUNE 29 DIVISION 2 Northern Territory vs Tasmania at Visy Park 12pm NSW/ACT vs Queensland at Visy Park 2:30pm WEDNESDAY JULY 3 DIVISION 1 South Australia vs Western Australia at Etihad Stadium 3:35pm Victoria Metro vs Victoria Country at Etihad Stadium 5:35pm THURSDAY JULY 4 DIVISION 2 Queensland vs Northern Territory at Victoria Park 11am NSW/ACT vs Tasmania at Victoria Park 1:15pm

Melbourne president Don McLardy stands down as the Dees ask for a priority pick Well, we've gone and done it - asked for a priority pick due to our poor performances over a sustained period of time. I believe we're entitled to some sort of assistance from the AFL under its rules notwithstanding our poor recruiting and development record over the past decade. There's been resistance from different quarters but the reality is that the decision will not be made on emotion or pity but rather on what makes this competition tick - dollars and cents. The league and the clubs don't want a non-competitive Melbourne dragging down attendances and television ratings and, as Vlad has said, "there's nothing gained by having a team smashed every week". The best way to avoid that (among other things like stable administration and improvements in coaching and development) is by giving the club access to more good footballers and the solution that appeals most to me is a GWS-style mini-draft. If other clubs are given the option of pre-drafting 4 players aged 17 in return for trades with Melbourne, the club would pick up combination of draft selections and player trades to enable it to top up its list and enable it to achieve the rapid improvement in its on-field stocks that everybody's looking for. In addition, the nature of a mini draft is such that it doesn't create any new draft picks as would priority selections because the concept involves trading existing picks. Therefore, those clubs that aren't involved in the trading aren't adversely affected by the existence of the mini draft. Anyway, that's my idea for the day.

One of the things I find to be interesting is that four of Walls' top 8 in importance are not available to play or injured at present (5 out of the top 12) and another two (T Mac & Toumpas) played their first games back from injury on QB. Add to that the fact that Jack Trengove has laboured due partly at least to the fact that he had no pre season and you have a fairly solid reason why we've been behind the eight ball for most of the first half of 2013. Of course, it's not the only reason but it gives rise to hope that when the changes are rung in for next year, we'll rise more quickly than some expect.

Aussie World: Casey Scorpions & Jesse Hogan Photo Roll

Quiet day really but things got interesting on the football front this evening when the Hawks did the job on the Blues. The result proved to me that Jeff's a lunatic. Why would you give up supporting Buddy, Roughhead and co to become President of the MFC? Surely, if he really wanted a challenge, the green pastures of GWS await him. There's a certain recruiting officer in that area who could do with some mentoring and weight loss advice.

What I really liked about Greg Wells as a player was the fact that from his first senior game late in 1969 he played top notch football. He was b & f in 1971 (after 50 games) and Brownlow Medal runner up in 1972 (after 72 games in four seasons). Times might have changed but that's an enormous effort considering Watts, Blease, Strauss and Jetta are all in their fifth seasons. None of that makes him president material but he would surely make a good football director.

So what's news?

I know there's a lot of angst around the club because of the way the team's performing at the moment but I think we should give Don a vote of thanks for being there for the club when Jimmy became ill, for standing with him and then for taking over in such difficult times. I hope history judges him kindly in that light. As for Peter, he's now the "Interim Man" - twice had the gig and I'm sure he hopes he won't hold it for too long and that we get a stable and strong leadership to take us into the future.

I'm against it.

Greg did the signwriting when I started my practice in 1974 and he did a beautiful job. Seemed to have a good head for business but he's definitely not a top of the town Collins Street person or a pollie. More like a roll up the sleeves and do some hard yakka bloke. Haven't spoken to him for years and the last time was when he was shipped off to Carlton (a trifle unwillingly). He came from our local zone and is a Demon through - interesting to see if he truly wants to take this on..

Please be careful Satyriconhome and WYL because you might find yourselves posting on Satyriconhomeland and WYLland instead of Demonland soon. Let's stay on topic please.

He makes some interesting points but like many of those commentating on Melbourne at the moment, I suspect there's not much original thought and he's basing what passes for his analysis (like many in the media) partly on what he's heard from others. I wonder if he's seen Jesse Hogan. While I agree he's important for the club's future I think there are many others who remain priorities for the club above and beyond an 18 year old who hasn't played a game yet. Despite our pathetic form and miserable ladder placing, it's important we get more development out of the players who will be stayers for the club in the long run and overlooking Max Gawn and a few other of our younger players suggests he really doesn't know as much about us as he should. And what does one make of his statement that James Strauss is a "must play" for the rest of the season because "it's time to find out if he has a future"? Well, he had an opportunity to do that a few weeks ago and was dropped. Since then I don't recall him appearing in the best players at Casey so no offence to James, but that's where he has to demonstrate his worthiness first because if he can't play well in a lower grade with a team that's winning then perhaps he doesn't have a future and if he's upgraded at the expense of others, what does it say about our "culture" or Walls' capacity to deliver more than mere platitudes about the game? Perhaps a little more research and some deeper thought might have been in order.

This thread has degenerated to the point where it simply has to be closed. Thanks for the debate folks. There are other places around here where you can discuss this subject but it had better be civilly and there could be more news on this later today.

No ... but this week he has no game (out because of an injured back). With Kyle Cheney out of the Hawthorn team omitted, I think there's only three ex-Demons playing at AFL level ATM and all three are midfielders which is a commodity we're desperately lacking.

Amen to that.A few posters here are skating on thin ice. Please refer to the Code of Conduct.

I've been reading a number of threads in the past couple of days where topics degenerate as a result of personal abuse by posters towards others. I ask posters to note the following:- Code Of Conduct ... With regard to posts on the Demonland Forums, the Demonland Administrators and Moderators reserve the right to edit and/or remove posts that are considered to be: Acts of personal abuse That's the first item ... and I'll be asking the moderators to take a stricter position on personal abuse from now on. Thanks