Whispering_Jack

Matthew Goodyear Profile

This is from Luke McAlister's Phantom Draft I think it might have been first issued around the time when some of the FA compensations were going through so I made some minor adjustments:-

If this happens we do have what is effectively first pick in the PSD (FWIW) Saints want Membrey to start pre-season training early

Thanks for that jabberwocky. Goodyear looks the type of player you would never get tyred of watching.

There's a chance that we might use this pick to upgrade Nev Jetta and keep a pick up our sleeves for the PSD if there's an option available there. However, if we decide to pick a player at this range this is what we might expect:- I know very little of Goodyear but by the size and description he looks a handy pick up at this range.

The speculation about draft selections is always interesting at this time of year. Last year, our first pick was number 9 which generated plenty of discussion. Our second selection then was number 40 which this year is our third pick. We took Jay Kennedy-Harris with 40 in 2013. Previously, Luke Parker of the Swans was taken with the selection so we know you can pick up talent in this region and I did this exercise last year of looking at the more recognised phantom draft aficionados to see if we could generate a bit of love for pick 40. This year, pick 40 is elevated a little by the fact that there are a few more father-son and academy selections ahead of it meaning less choices leading up to the selection and because pick 38 is an academy selection, I've chosen 37 and 39-41 and 43 in the selected range. We are taking Billy Stretch with pick 42. First cab off the rank is Knightmare;- I believe there's more detail to come from Knightmare and I will post these later. Touk Miller is a tough little customer who gets a lot of the footy but he's naturall not the elite A grade midfielder we might get with # 2 or 3.

Who knows? Perhaps the recruiting people believe the player who they would choose next is flying under the radar a bit and is likely to be available at pick 40 anyway.

There's no need for a thread about an individual poster, particularly one who has in the past gotten things right. You can make your own judgement in future about what to believe and now, let's just move on. Thanks

DRAFT ORDER 16/10/14 1. St Kilda 2. Melbourne 3. Melbourne (free-agency compensation pick received for James Frawley) 4. Greater Western Sydney 5. Collingwood (received from Brisbane Lions in Dayne Beams trade) 6. Greater Western Sydney (received from Western Bulldogs in Ryan Griffen/Tom Boyd trade) 7. Greater Western Sydney (received from Carlton in Kristian Jaksch/Mark Whiley trade) 8. Gold Coast 9. Collingwood (the Magpies are committed to selecting father-son pick Darcy Moore) 10. Geelong (received from Adelaide as part of a pick swap) 11. West Coast 12. Richmond 13. Fremantle 14. Adelaide (received from Geelong as part of a pick swap) 15. Gold Coast (received from Geelong via a trade in 2012; originally received by the Cats as compensation for Gary Ablett) 16. North Melbourne 17. Essendon (received from Port Adelaide in Paddy Ryder trade) 18. Sydney Swans (the Swans are committed to selecting academy pick Isaac Heeney) 19. Carlton (received from GWS in Kristian Jaksch/Mark Whiley trade; traded to the Giants by Hawthorn in Jono O'Rourke trade) 20. Essendon (first selection moved to end of first round as part of supplements scandal penalty) 21. St Kilda (received from Geelong in Rhys Stanley trade; traded to the Cats by the Brisbane Lions in Allen Christensen trade; traded to the Lions by Greater Western Sydney in Joel Patfull trade; traded to the Giants by Gold Coast in 2012; traded to the Suns by the Brisbane Lions in 2010; originally received by the Lions as compensation for Jared Brennan) 22. St Kilda 23. Greater Western Sydney (received from Melbourne as part of Sam Frost deal) 24. Greater Western Sydney (the Giants are committed to selecting academy pick Jack Steele) 25. North Melbourne (received from Collingwood in Levi Greenwood trade; traded to the Magpies by the Brisbane Lions in Dayne Beams trade) 26. Western Bulldogs 27. Western Bulldogs (free-agency compensation pick received for Shaun Higgins) 28. Carlton 29. Gold Coast 30. Collingwood 31. Hawthorn (received from Crows as part of Cheney/Lowden trade) 32. West Coast 33. Richmond 34. Fremantle 35. Adelaide (received from Geelong as part of a pick swap) 36. North Melbourne 37. Sydney Swans (received from the Western Bulldogs in Shane Biggs trade; traded to the Dogs by the Bombers for Adam Cooney; traded to the Bombers by Port Adelaide in Paddy Ryder trade) 38. Sydney Swans (the Swans are committed to selecting academy pick Jack Hiscox) 39. Western Bulldogs (received from the Sydney Swans as part of Shane Biggs deal; originally a free-agency compensation pick received for Nick Malceski) 40. Melbourne (received from GWS in Sam Frost trade; originally from Hawthorn in Jono O'Rourke trade) 41. St Kilda 42. Melbourne (the Demons are committed to selecting father-son pick Billy Stretch) 43. Adelaide (received from Hawthorn as part of Cheney/Lowden trade; traded to the Hawks in Jono O'Rourke trade) 44. Brisbane Lions (the Lions are committed to selecting academy pick Liam Dawson) 45. Western Bulldogs 46. Western Bulldogs (received from Carlton for Liam Jones) 47. Geelong (received from Adelaide as part of a pick swap; traded to Crows from Hawthorn in Cheney/Lowden trade; traded to Hawks from Gold Coast in Mitch Hallahan trade) 48. Collingwood 49. Hawthorn (received from Gold Coast in Mitch Hallahan trade; traded to the Hawks by West Coast in 2013; traded to the Eagles by Collingwood in 2010; originally received by the Magpies as compensation for Josh Fraser) 50. Hawthorn (received from Crows as part of Cheney/Lowden trade) 51. West Coast 52. Richmond 53. Melbourne (received from GWS in Sam Frost Trade; traded from Essendon as part of Jonathan Giles trade) 54. Fremantle 55. Geelong 56. North Melbourne 57. Port Adelaide 58. Sydney Swans 59. Adelaide (received from Hawthorn as part of Cheney/Lowden trade) 60. Geelong (received from St Kilda in Rhys Stanley trade) 61. Carlton (received from Melbourne in Jeff Garlett trade) 62. Essendon (received from GWS in Jonathan Giles trade) 63. Brisbane Lions (the Lions are committed to selecting academy pick Harris Andrews) 64. Western Bulldogs (the Bulldogs are committed to selecting father-son pick Zaine Cordy) 65. Carlton 66. Gold Coast 67. Brisbane Lions (received from Collingwood in Dayne Beams trade) 68. Hawthorn (received from Crows as part of Cheney/Lowden trade) 69. West Coast 70. Richmond 71. Essendon 72. Fremantle 73. Geelong 74. North Melbourne 75. Port Adelaide 76. Sydney Swans (the Swans are committed to selecting academy pick Abe Davis) 77. Hawthorn 78. St Kilda 79. Carlton (received from Melbourne in Jeff Garlett trade) 80. Greater Western Sydney 81. Brisbane Lions 82. Western Bulldogs 83. Melbourne (received from Carlton in Jeff Garlett trade) 84. Gold Coast 85. Collingwood 86. Adelaide 87. West Coast 88. Richmond 89. Essendon 90. Fremantle 91. Geelong 92. North Melbourne 93. Port Adelaide 94. Sydney Swans 95. Hawthorn 96. St Kilda 97. Melbourne 98. Greater Western Sydney 99. Brisbane Lions 100. Western Bulldogs 101. Carlton 102. Gold Coast 103. Collingwood 104. Adelaide 105. West Coast 106. Richmond 107. Essendon 108. Fremantle 109. Geelong 110. North Melbourne 111. Port Adelaide 112. Sydney Swans 113. Hawthorn 114. St Kilda 115. Melbourne 116. Greater Western Sydney (the Giants are committed to taking academy pick Jeremy Finlayson with their final draft selection) 117. Brisbane Lions (the Lions are committed to taking father-son pick Josh Clayton with their final draft selection) 118. Western Bulldogs 119. Carlton 120. Gold Coast 121. Collingwood 122. Adelaide 123. West Coast (the Eagles are committed to taking father-son pick Alec Waterman with their final draft selection) 124. Richmond 125. Essendon 126. Fremantle 127. Geelong 128. North Melbourne 129. Port Adelaide 130. Sydney Swans 131. Hawthorn

Off to his third club. Adelaide. Good luck Fetta ...

Oops - Jack Trengove

Done and dusted ~ this thread will close later today and a number of others either closed or shifted to the main board so that this board will be left to further drafting either by delisted free agency, the main draft, the PSD and the rookie draft. The Dangerfield thread will no doubt continue for another 12 months in some shape or form.

Let's pat ourselves on the back Demonlanders. We and we alone, put a stop to whatever they had planned. People power wins in the end!!! By the way, what exactly did we put a stop to?

Clearly a blatant attempt to sabotage Demonland!!!!

NAB Trade Radio News reports that it's Deadline Day at Etihad Stadium. Will Ryder get to Port Adelaide? Or will the GWS come late with an offer to the Bombers with their vast array of draft picks? The Saints say pick 1 is still on the table, while the Hawks are sweating on several of their youngsters potentially moving clubs. WJ - I'm totally traded out and off north to get away from it all. With my luck, Garry Junior will be on my flight. I'll convince him to play for Melbourne and the flight will land after the 2pm deadline.

It's always worthwhile coming back to this thread from time to time to see how certain players were looked upon at the start of the year before the draft manouevring began. With the regard to the Prospectus 25 some of them have already been taken as father/son or academy selections, some remain high on the radar and a couple have dropped off. Interesting.

Despite their need for tall forwards, the Saints have announced that they won't be trading pick 1 and their likely selection is Perracca. Make of that what you will given that we've already seen a couple of 360 degree turns by clubs this week. Josh Mahoney has stated the club won't be trading 2 & 3 and, after GWS claimed three of the next four picks, it's unlikely that they would need to trade to improve just one spot. It's Brayshaw at 2 and your guess at 3 ... Meanwhile Geelong's strategy appears somewhat strange. They've lost two midfielders and delisted a few smart movers and replaced them with Clark and Stanley.

I think people underestimate the effect that the introduction of delisted free agency has on the lesser trades that used to take place involving players of this ilk. We've seen it happening with a number of clubs where players won't end up traded but rather picked up later for nothing after they're delisted. From the MFC perspective it's almost certain that these unloved uncontracted players will be delisted soon after the trade period ends (unless a miracle happens tomorrow). We might even decide to pay out the contracts of lesser lights with the promise of rookie listing them allowing us to fulfill our contracts. Hence, the suggestion made in some quarters that this might happen with Jack Trengove and possibly Michael Evans. The end result is that the delistings might filter down to our current rookies meaning Alexis Georgiou and even Max King might not be safe. I'm throwing the idea up but I really don't know if rules allow us to do this but it could give us extra scope for drafting in the coming month that we might otherwise not have. As far as assessing the trading so far, it's difficult to say. I'd prefer to look at the overall result when drafting's done.

DRAFT ORDER 15/10/14 1. St. Kilda 2. Melbourne 3. Melbourne 4. GWS Giants 5. Brisbane 6. GWS Giants 7. GWS Giants 8. Gold Coast 9. Collingwood - Darcy Moore 10. Adelaide 11. West Coast 12. Richmond 13. Fremantle 14. Geelong 15. Gold Coast 16. North Melbourne 17. Port Adelaide 18. Sydney - Isaac Heeney 19. Carlton 20. Essendon 21. Geelong 22. St. Kilda 23. Melbourne 24. GWS Giants - Jack Steele 25. Brisbane 26. Western Bulldogs 27. Western Bulldogs 28. Carlton 29. Gold Coast 30. Collingwood 31. Adelaide 32. West Coast 33. Richmond 34. Fremantle 35. Geelong 36. North Melbourne 37. Port Adelaide 38. Sydney - Jack Hiscox 39. Sydney 40. GWS Giants 41. St. Kilda 42. Melbourne - Billy Stretch 43. Hawthorn 44. Brisbane - Liam Dawson 45. Western Bulldogs 46. Carlton 47. Gold Coast 48. Collingwood 49. Gold Coast 50. Adelaide 51. West Coast 52. Richmond 53. Essendon 54. Fremantle 55. Geelong 56. North Melbourne 57. Port Adelaide 58. Sydney 59. Hawthorn 60. St. Kilda 61. Carlton 62. GWS Giants 63. Brisbane - Harris Andrews, 64. Western Bulldogs - Zaine Cordy 65. Carlton 66. Gold Coast 67. Collingwood 68. Adelaide 69. West Coast 70. Richmond 71. Essendon 72. Fremantle 73. Geelong 74. North Melbourne 75. Port Adelaide 76. Sydney - Abe Davis 77. Hawthorn 78. St. Kilda 79. Carlton 80. GWS Giants 81. Brisbane 82. Western Bulldogs 83. Melbourne 84. Gold Coast 85. Collingwood 86. Adelaide 87. West Coast 88. Richmond 89. Essendon 90. Fremantle 91. Geelong 92. North Melbourne 93. Port Adelaide 94. Sydney 95. Hawthorn [Josh Clayton (Brisbane Lions), Alec Waterman (West Coast) and Jeremy Finlayson (GWS Giants) will join their nominated clubs with their last picks in the draft]

Trades galore but are there more in store? Tom Boyd is officially a Western Bulldogs player. Traded to the club from GWS on a mammoth seven-year deal. Ryan Griffen is officially a GWS Giants player. Traded to the GWS Giants along with pick 6, in exchange for Tom Boyd. Dayne Beams is officially a Brisbane Lions player. Traded to the Lions from Collingwood. The Lions gave up picks 5, 25 and midfielder Jack Crisp. In return they received Beams and pick 67. Levi Greenwood is officially a Collingwood player. Traded to the Pies in exchange for pick 25 which goes back to Collingwood. Heritier Lumumba is officially traded from Collingwood to Melbourne as part of a three-way deal. Mitch Clark is officially traded from Melbourne to Geelong as part of a three-way deal. Travis Varcoe is officially traded from Geelong to Collingwood as part of a three-way deal. Rhys Stanley is officially a Geelong player, traded from St Kilda to the Cats along with pick 60 in exchange for pick 21 from the Cats.

On the other hand, this from my mate Ash Browne @afl_hashbrowne: Spare me the vitriol about footy administrators telling fibs. Its part of their job description. #tradeperiod #tomboyd #ryangriffen

Straight talking or another riddle? Demons happy to take top picks to draft I have a feeling that something outstanding would need to come up in the last hours of trading to cause us to give away picks 2 or 3 and that eventuality seems unlikely.

NAB Trade Radio explains the day's trading to date as follows:- • Dayne Beams traded from Collingwood to Brisbane. The Pies send Beams & pick 67 to Brisbane in exchange for picks 5, 25 and midfielder Jack Crisp. • North Melbourne trade Levi Greenwood to Collingwood in exchange for pick 25. • Heritier Lumumba traded to Melbourne. • Mitch Clark traded to Geelong. • Travis Varcoe traded to Collingwood. • St Kilda trade Rhys Stanley and pick 60 to Geelong in exchange for pick 21.

As distinct from Demon fans who are wise and all-knowing

Today's excitement should inlude: Paddy Ryder zzz Port Adelaide has upped its offer for Ryder as the deadline of the NAB Trade period approaches. The Power have said they're prepared to give up picks 17 and 37 for Ryder but the Bombers still want more. Ryan Griffen and Tom Boyd Both could be forced to stay at their respective clubs next season, despite both players requesting to be traded. The Giants are refusing to trade Boyd, despite his manager Liam Pickering saying he would leave at the end of his contract next season regardless. We've heard it all before Despite it being talked about for weeks, the Dayne Beams trade to Brisbane is expected to get done today. It will kick off a five-way trade that will see Brisbane receive Beams & pick 67 from the Magpies in exchange for picks 5, 25 and midfielder Jack Crisp. North Melbourne would then receive pick 25 from Collingwood in exchange for Levi Greenwood. As part of the deal, Heritier Lumumba will also move from the Magpies to Melbourne, Mitch Clark will move to Geelong, and Travis Varcoe will move to Collingwood. Mitch Hallahan Hallahan will decide over the next 24 hours whether he will stay a Hawk, or seek a trade to Gold Coast. The Herald Sun says the Gold Coast offered him a three-year deal, despite him originally stating he wanted to stay at Hawthorn.