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Fair enough but so far you're two at bats and 0-2. 1st: simple check of draft order - strike-out 2nd: it's more likely that a player is covering a real condition to get drafted than a recruiter is making up the condition to cause the player to slide - caught on a fly-ball. Keep swinging ...

Alternatively both those stories could be true. I don't imagine Heppell or Darling would be confirming them. The most likely misinformation in those situations would be coming from the player to talk themselves up not the recruiter talking them down. Occam's Razor.

Heppell and Jacobs sound like they play similar roles - hard to see how this would be a dream outcome. All things being equal with us selecting the best player particularly at early picks a dream outcome would be to solve as many holes in the list as possible. I agree that the role they play is a need so one would be great but there's other needs like a fwd/ruck, small defensive back and outside midfield line-breaker.

Or there's speculation by media and fans who don't have a clue ... you have absolutely no evidence of misinformation - just a bunch of phantom drafts that will get blown away in the wind of reality like the sand that they are.

I just don't follow the logic there - Gold Coast sound almost certain to pick Swallow, Bennell and Day, they don't have another pick before the Tigers and the Tigers don't have another pick until well after all these players will be gone.

Fantastic to see mass confusion reigning on draft day - no-one knows who is taking who outside the recruiters and understandably they've been playing it tight. We could pick just about anybody it seems outside of Swallow, Bennell, Day and Gaff. It's a great pity they're doing the stupid 10 to 1 order again. It would be just so much better if they did the whole thing in order. The excitement hinges on who's left in the pool at the next pick. They could stop at 5 or 10 and interview the top couple if they want to. Reverse order is just a dumb, dumb idea.

200cm - easy to miss I guess For posterity:

Did we genuinely rate Gawn ahead of Tapscott? If so then it's the exception case I described above. It's a very risky ploy - I wouldn't do it but then I am risk averse.

In addition when Josh Hunt was out in 2009 they played James Kelly down back. IMO they lost plenty when Hunt, who I do not rate defensively at all, came back and Kelly went back to the midfield. I think Bartram's stats are pretty good because he's a smart and disciplined payer who generally plays within his limitations. But we are limited by those limitations - his ROI is good but it's low I so low R - 70+% of SFA.

I find that very difficult to believe - it defies logic. If we rated Player X at 11, Gysberts later than 11 let's say best case 12 and Player Y later still let's say best case 13 You're saying that 11:Gysberts(12) plus 18:Player Y(13) is better than 11:Player X(11) and 18:Player Y(13) - no way! The only way that could possibly make sense is if Player X was certain to be available at 18 and we'd get 11:Gysberts(12) and 18:Player X(11) Occam's Razor says we picked Gysberts at 11 because we rated him next best.

I know it's a long time ago, but I look back to when we had Alan Johnson in this role - he was an A grade mid who won a best and fairest in the midfield and went to play as small defensive back and won another B&F. He played on Peter Daicos at his most dangerous, probably the toughest assignment ever, and when the ball got in his hands you were always supremely confident he'd use it well. It's an under-rated role that warrants an A grader if your midfield rotation can support the loss.

What's Bartram's disposal efficiency? That's the % of time he plays to his limitations. I reckon it's most of the time and his % is likely to be quite high - short kick to unmarked defender or handball to running defender. When he tries to exceed or is forced out of his limitations he does make errors and his kicking limitation bar is quite low. I think he's a pretty smart footballer overall who generally makes good decisions, has good pace and endurance. The problems are he can't attack with his kicking and he can be pressured into a turnover.

Many people seem to favour him on "need" - his type is not in my first 3 needs. Like all other candidates for 12 he should be battling it out on ability and character.

He sounds linke he'd be a better version of Dunn and Petterd and take that role in our team. If he is fast and agile enough to play midfield. And he commented directly on his defensive work in that article. He could fill a role and fit our forward line with Watts, Jurrah and a fwd/ruck in there too.

I guess Dingoes doesn't pass the focus group testing.

Detroit Lions, Cincinatti Bengals, Philadelphia Eagles, Baltimore Ravens, New Orleans Saints, Seattle Seahawks, New York Jets, Cleveland Browns, Green Bay Packers - lucky we don't have any teams resembling these ...

There's a reason why there's no predominantly green jumper ...

Agreed, I was thinking orange - it's the colour that's not already used. I was thinking orange, white and navy or orange white and black - they've gone orange, white and charcoal which is close. It's easy to criticise - come up with a better colour scheme. Jumper design is fluid - the Eagles, Power and Dockers have all refined their's over the years and WS can too, it's not set in concrete. I like the traditional Dogs hoops and the new Freo and Port V lines - WS may end up there. I'm iffy on the Giants but they'll have done their research and it'll have edged out the Wolves etc for a reason. Again - suggest something better.

yeah and John Butcher was top 2 the year before both may turn out great players MDT

Keep up the good fight Jack, you'll be able to overcome the dreaded MDT if you persevere.

I wouldn't take him - I want a GUARANTEED very good player at 12 and there's too much risk with Darling. I want our list to overwhelm the opposition with solid quality - like the WC sides of the early 90s that batted so deep. We're not short of X-factor with Jurrah, Watts, Morton, Sylvia, Davey, Bennell, Blease, Tapscott, Gawn. We can take some risks on more X-factor with our later picks. .

I imagine GC may start to pick for needs a bit in 9-11 and 13. Altho EQ listed all those players as GC interest at those picks she particularly noted: Lynch Gorringe and Lycett - but surely they wouldn't take both Conca Pitt - probably at 13 If that's the 4 they take they'd want to make sure they took the one we like before 12. They'll have similar info to EQ - BP is notorious for playing his cards close and who can blame him. She doesn't have us into Conca or Pitt, but she does have us into the 3 talls. So your reasoning that they'll go taller at 9-11 is sound. The smalls she has us into are Prestia, B.Smith and Jacobs Of course there could easily be someone outside her 25 that we like. She does say GC wont take Darling and I don't think we will either - too much risk. Wonder if she'll do a phantom on Thursday? Will there be an MFC draft event this year? I missed last year's because I was away with work.

Looking at here "where will he be picked?" 1-6: She pretty much has the standard: Swallow, Day Bennell, Gaff, Heppell, Polec (although she does throw Conca in at 6 as a possibility) 7-8: Then it's Atley and Caddy to Essendon and GC in either order. 9-11 and 13: Gold Coast's next 4 picks (with our's before the last one) she has Lynch, Gorringe, Pitt, Lycett, Tape, Isaac Smith, Prestia, Watson and Conca and I'd be surprised if they took 2 ruckmen. 12: For us she has Lynch, Gorringe, Lycett, Prestia, Brodie Smith, Darling, Watson and Jacobs all mentioned - more talls than small in that lot.

FMD Nooo! - dumbest idea ever

There's only one definitive order and that's the actual draft order on the day. Everyone who thinks about it from Barry Prendergast all the way down to E25 has an order, but none of them is definitive. There's no such thing as a "slider" because every team that picked before the pick where the player was ultimately taken had the opportunity to pick him. There is such a thing as a "bolter" because some recruiter may rate someone much higher than everyone else and pick them earlier. For example if jcb31 picked Serhat Temel at 12 this year. rpfc will insist that a "slider" can occur if every pick above him is a "bolter" and he'll be right.