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Look I'm not saying this is the published rule but as @daisycutter suggested this would make complete sense.

It's not that complicated. Can't tackle them if they haven't stepped outside the square or until the umpire calls play-on because they've taken too long.

Yes, the Suns are probably happy to get their hands on 5 from us because pick trading continues on after this Wednesday deadline and they could still strike an attractive deal with Adelaide or Port.

This makes perfect sense, it's not play-on until the kicker steps out of the square so he can't be tackled while in there. He can still size up his options before he makes his move. Presumably the umpire can call play-on if he takes too long. The other point of the goal square is for forward marks taken in the square, the man on the mark is directly in front of goal, not on an angle. This was brought in a few years ago.

As long this trade remains incomplete it means we still believe we're in the Hogan trade market.

Or Fremantle offer us 5 + 30 which is their next pick and try to hold onto 14. That sounds more like Bell's MO. There'll be epic melts here if that happens and we do that deal.

On points 14 = 23 + 45. When your first two picks are 36 and 46 it probably does make a difference.

70 posts in 13 years. ETD makes that many per hour. Quality over Quantity?

We keep hearing about him

Will you be MIA for those 12 months and then be reborn like the phoenix (that could be your next user name) Seems like an unfair bet.

4th in BnF - the FD still rate him highly. He has never been elite but is renowned for his hardness, durability and loyalty. Has been relegated out of the starting midfield by elite talent. But he's #1 to step back in if injuries hit. Too good not to be in the 22 even if he has to play a role that doesn't suit him. Legacy will be very similar to David Neitz and will give the games record a shake. Hopefully he goes one better with a flag.

It must be challenging to live with disappointment year on year.

Yes OMac's improvement curve is pretty steep and he seems very coachable. I expect him to take another leap in 2019. Lever in the side will make him better still and we'll either have May or Hogan back there too. I'm excited at the prospects for improvement.

Comparing May and Oscar is not valid. Oscar is 22, the valid comparison is May at 22 in 2014 with Oscar now. Oscar is on a steep improvement curve year on year and will become a very strong all round defender.

I'm feeling content - no lose situation. Trade with Fremantle will happen at a reasonable price and we'll on trade for May. Trade doesn't happen and an exciting experiment with Jesse at CHB in 2019. The dogs may bark but the caravan rolls along.

Related to Jamie Duursma?

Yes total outlier situation when we were bleeding goals. Akin to the last 2 minutes of quarters. It's pulling the emergency cord. The context of the question was using Hogan as starting CHB next year. Are you seriously suggesting that we'll ever start TMac as key back in the future? It's over - he's a key forward. .

Stupidity confirmation. The only time TMac might be in the back 50 is in the last 2 minutes of quarters when we're trying to stop opposition scoring.

I'd like to point out that May is no choir boy either - there's risk in recruiting him. He's not the guaranteed universal panacea. I'm fine with the trade going ahead. But I'm at least equally fine with trying Jesse at CHB next year. It worked for Hurley who had a similar chequered start at a key forward.

It's because Jesse Hogan is our star player and we are much more personally invested in him than Freo fans are. He's reality to us and theory to them.

Yeah OK I get that. Now how does it apply specifically to this thread?

I'm struggling to see the analogy - perhaps you can tease it out for me? Who is God for a start off?

I think that's the missing point. Tries CHB, dominates, likes it. Look I'm happy to do the trade at market value but I'm equally happy to try to salvage the best outcome for the club it it can't happen because Bell's a f'wit.

GC would be rapt with this deal as would MFC if there was a sweetener involved. The only sticking point would be Hogan's willingness - a pretty major sticking point I imagine. Still GC could offer a Buddy style $11m over 9 years deal that may entice.

That's a consistent line of reasoning across the years. It's uncommon and there's a lot to be said for that. My only observation it's not totally objective. You understandably get very excited and salivate at outstanding KPF prospects and build a very high hope and expectation. When that's not met the crash is hard. The pendulum swings a long way the other direction. I'm pretty sure you strongly value objectivity - you've got a bias here. There wasn't much baby with the Watts bathwater, I think there still can be with Hogan. He could find his niche in the backline like Hurley has and dominate for years to come. I'm still sufficiently excited by this prospect.