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Agree and if Kent follows this path then he will not be part of the Demon family going forward and likely be booed in all future meetings with St.Kilda, after destroying the legacy of a significant part of his career. He'll be retired a long time.

Correct and well said but you shouldn't need to do it. I have already posted this in the thread and it's far from the first time. It is hard to understand why @Dr.D continues to post wrong information about historical trades and then makes incorrect assumptions based on these errors. The real information is easy to find on the internet. Mahoney and ream have done a tremendous list management job recently, not least creatively trading up for Oliver and Weed. We had @goodwindees telling us we should be "harder" and more like Essendon. When I challenged him to provide a list of Dodoro's trading coups all I got was crickets. There's an agenda of unjustified outrage among some posters who use misinformation and ignorance as fuel.

Totally shiit attitude. Hysterical premature lachrymation. #ETjellyfish

Too much assumption in this thread Freo can get Ports picks. Freo's best pick will be 5 and Lukosius and Rankine are tipped to go earlier at GC 2 or 3, Saints 4.

If you were Norf's list manager what would you do? They are in draft no mans land. They could trade out say Goldie keep Preuss and go to the draft. But they probably wouldn't get enough difference in the deal. I think they've got to go for it. It could be California or bust though.

Can't knock Norf for having a dip. Otherwise they are locked in mid table mediocrity. They have a solid base of senior talent across the board with Tarrant, Brown, Goldstein, Higgins, Cunnington. Add genuine talent in Gaff, Polec and Hall and they could jump up to contend. Relatively weak teams have been winning big lately. The biggest issue for them may be the disparity in pay for the newcomers vs the incumbents. They must've sold the ultimate success dream to the incumbents and if it comes everyone is happy but if it doesn't - even finishing 2nd - cracks will form. They've gotta punt though I think.

Unrealised potential.

Sorry, I didn't have the adjusted picks after Academy and compensation picks so it was actually a bit different in the wash (I've corrected it above now): Treloar + 33 for 9 + 8 (next year) + 63 Treloar + 563 for 1469 + 1551 + 112 means Treloar for 2569, pick 2 = 2517

Just to be completely clear it was Treloar + 33 for 9 + 8 (next year) + 63 A 2nd rounder came back to GWS.

it's the nature of the beast. I should add Ben Kennedy and Pat McKenna in there too

I think there are 3 kinds of trades for players: Blockbusters with early picks and big salary involved: e.g. Lever, May Role players for known quantities: e.g. Vince, Lewis, Hibberd, Melksham, Garlett, Tyson, Bugg, Preuss Speculation for players that have unrealised potential: Frost, Balic, McKenna, Kennedy, KK In some ways #3 are most interesting

Norf fans on BF claiming (in the Preuss thread) they have Josh Kelly in the bag next year too on a handshake deal with GWS, even with Gaff, Polec and Hall coming in this year. Must have bottomless salary cap.

If VDB and Tyson are traded, the midfield before any additions looks like: Core (5): Jones, Harmes, Viney, Brayshaw, Oliver Mid/Fwds and Mid/Backs (4): Petracca, ANB, Fritsch, Salem Fringe (2): Stretch, JKH Development (2): Maynard, Baker

He is out of contract at the end of 2019 but he is not a free agent then. Scroll back through the thread if you need verification, it has been explained a number of times.

It looks like the fact that Hogan is not a free agent next year has to be re-stated on every page of this thread.

100m results are blunt instruments. There's a reason the AFL tests at 20m. Even then someone like Viney who has tremendous starting acceleration may not stand out.

If the full 11 are off then there's 28/33 ready to go. There's the 22 from the PF minus VDB and Tyson = 20 Plus 8 ready to go: Lever, Stretch, JKH, Hunt, Fritsch, Garlett, T.Smith, Wagner Plus 5 development: Maynard, Baker, Petty, Johnstone, Keilty - some of them could play in 2019 too. That's if everyone mentioned leaves and before we add any.

By my reckoning we'd still have a squad of 28 ready to play AFL players even with the 11 out and none in. 44-11=33. Only 5 not ready: Maynard, Baker, Petty, Johnstone and Keilty - even then all of these are close. So I think the depth crisis that some are worried about is overblown.

This is controversial I know but one way to decrease stoppages would be to ban tacklers grabbing the ball players wrist and therefore preventing him from handballling. It 's a very effective tackling innovation that impedes the ball player and creates many more stoppages. But I don't think it's in the spirit of flowing football. It could be banned like too high and too low.

It was interesting that the FD pushed him forward in the PF. In the recent past a defensive forward has been used to stop the running HB. The intercept marking back like McGovern, Howe, Rance, Lever, Stratton, Aliir is the new key player in teams arsenal and IMO the one to stop with a defensive forward. Joel Smith is well suited to play a tight match up on these players because he can compete strongly in the air and with his athleticism and pace we retain defensive tackiling pressure on the ground. I could really see this role as a game changer and Joel has the attributes. You can't play too many defensive forwards though and it would probably have to come at the expense of say ANB's role. The idea could be further strengthened by the 666 configuration to reduce the impact of intercept marking.

I think the AFL gave Geelong permission last year. They just want to protect against basket cases and desperate regimes selling their future down the river. But if the club looks in good shape I think they'll allow it. Here's a possible link I found but it's behind the paywall https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/geelong-can-again-trade-its-firstround-draft-pick-in-2018/news-story/82989f88db7d2425be27dae06077fab7

It is possible that Jason Taylor has identified a premium early draft prospect and we want to trade in to get him like we did with Clarrie and Weed. There's a lot of different scenarios to play out. Fascinating times. The report that we asked permission to trade our 2019 1st just adds to the intrigue. I've only seen a couple of posters say this and haven't seen an official confirmation though? I guess it just provides more flexibility and may not be directed at a specific target. Sounds like future picks will be eligible in draft night live pick trading too http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-08/twoday-draft-to-add-live-pick-trading

Is this ranking based on a custom algorithm you have come up with? Theres's quite a few anomalies with my subjective observations and our best and fairest results, even if they are ranked by points per game. Calculations do not equal objectivity.

Collingwood finished 13th in 2017, top of the bottom 6 and therefore got the "bottom 6" draw benefits. It is imperfect but they had a very good year and deserved their good outcome. I don't see their runner-up result as an anomaly given their season overall.