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There'll be time enough for counting ...

I had the privilege of a pre-draft meet with the club some years back and we looked at Rohan Bail's QAFL highlights ahead of drafting him. It was a long reel and he continually hit targets or kicked long to advantage like he was Nathan Buckley incarnate. Fast forward to AFL pressure ...

The only 100% fact so far is that it's not a 100% fact.

I wonder how many of the posters saying we should "play safe" on Green or Young have been criticising the decision to take Scully and Trengove over Martin for years? Yes they are 6 different players but the gist is the same. IMO FWIW, no Martin = no Richmond flags.

Has high top speed but lacks agility, that's the problem. He missed a bunch of forward line tackles because even though he had the closing straight line speed he couldn't change direction to nail the quarry. Suspect this got worked out down back too. Kinda surprised he wasn't traded.

We're talking about filling the last 2 list spots with Bennell and Brown. Goat hates both ideas. I'd like to hear the alternatives.

We have traded our 2020 1st so we can't trade other 2020 picks (unless we have multiple ones in the same round - which we don't)

I think we'll go for our view of best available at 3 and I hope we think that's Jackson because if we're right the upside is huge. I think if we split 8 we might go a bit more needs based - maybe small forwards that Mahoney mentioned in the trade period we would seek to address in the draft.

Do they have names?

Mahoney said at the Info night that we were forced to use 16 players unsuited on the wings this year. I think VDB and KK out for the year hurt us there. He said we specifically targeted Langdon and Tomlinson from over a year out for that position and the great thing about them is that they are strong aerobically and don't need to come off and that means we can concentrate rotations on the midfield group. IMO KK training with the backs looks like he's been pushed out and if he can get up he can fill a deficiency we have back there. Fascinating to hear Harmes is with the backs. Don't know what to think there.

Goodwin said the signs were there in the 2nd half of the Hawthorn final when we could no longer play our style. I recall David King saying in the review of that final "if Melbourne play like that against West Coast next week they'll get smashed" and he was right. So it wasn't "suddenly"

Thanks this is key info IMO.

I like it, Jones is either midfield depth or defensive forward IMO. He can't play other roles e.g. wing or defence. According to Goodwin he has come back in best shape this year. I'd prefer Jones to ANB.

One question asked why we have only 5 good kicks on the list and included Hibberd in the set!

I'm a renowned happy clapper so the informative midfield pre season graph is preaching to the converted. It was interesting when Lamb was addressing the Frost trade he reeled off backline players but didn't mention Petty. Later on Goodwin said one experiments from the 2nd half of the season that worked and we'll persist with is Petty forward. Ironically for the first questioner that means we'll see plenty of OMac back in 2020. @binman fortify your defences and sharpen your spears. Also interesting was Jones small forward and Smith back.

It's risk mitigation. If they really want Green and we don't bid they win big time - pick 4 and Green. This is just a safety net get out method in case we do bid.

If we bid on Green GWS could split 4 for a later 1st rounder and a 2020 1st rounder and match the bid with 2019 picks and quarantine the 2020 1st. For example trade 4 with GC for 15 + 2020 priority 11. Use 15 and later picks for Green and end up with a better 2020 1st rounder than they just traded away. There's lots of permutations.

I think it will ultimately come down to where we think the players we want will fall. 10 + 22 12 + 18 14 + 17 All offer similar value but may deliver different players.

You'll be singing a different tune when Lever and May are MFC Premiership players.

Candidates for pick 8 trade: Freo: 10 + 22 GC: 15 + 20 Geelong: 14 + 17 (24 too late for me) Port: 2 of 12, 16 and 18

The cobblers are the pro recruiters and the cobbling is recruiting, that's what ProDee is saying. Let the experts do what they do and amateurs and armchair experts should be circumspect. You are not a cobbler.

Still didn't answer "who" specifically we should be going for.

Jarrod Witts?

I agree DS and 247, we'd be pretty set on pick 3 now and have half a dozen plans in place at pick 8 because live pick trading.

Pretty sure MFC bid on Green at 3. If GWS down trade for 2 x 2019 picks all the value will go on the match. Their best strategy is to trade 6 for a pick in the teens and a future first. That way only the teens pick and later picks get swallowed by the match for Green, the future 1st is quarantined. Possible clubs are Geelong, Port and GC (2020 mid 1st round compo)