old55

In your mind maybe, but the executive individuals at the club - the staff and players are only defined by their own careers. What happened at MFC in 1965 has NOTHING to do with what will happen in there in 2020. I know from your posting over the years that this is something you cannot understand.

55 years of no success defines you and your attitude. The current group at the club is defined by the time they've been there and what they've done in that time.

I think it's more like: Green, one of those players and 3 x 36ish picks (Green bid change plus Tomlinson pick and Patton pick assuming they're 2nd both rounders) vs Green and pick 3. If it's really Rowell, Anderson, Green then daylight - it would be line ball IMO. If I was GWS it would depend which player - e.g. Caldwell no, Cumming yes.

Good post, but Patton doesn't get them pick 18. GWS need to find picks/points for Green to capitilise on the split, which will cost them more. So Caldwell, Patton pick, Tomlinson pick and probably someone else all get swallowed up so they can get pick 3. They'd have to want it badly. I don't think I'd do it.

Assuming GC get priority pick 2 and our first pick is pick 3. GWS really have to deal with us if they want to do get ahead of any bid for Green because we can bid for him at 3, but they would need to really want the player they can get with pick 3 to do a split deal. Assuming GWS get a 2nd round compo for Tomlinson at around say pick 35 that gives them (to be confirmed): 12 (1268), 16 (1067), 35 (522), 52 (259), 76 (0) If GWS do nothing MFC bid on Green at 3 (2234), GWS have to pay 80% of that with the discount = 1787 That means they'll need to give 12 and 16 and get a pick back in change: 12 + 16 = 1268 + 1067 = 2335 And get change: 2335 - 1787 = 548 which is pick 34 If they do nothing they get: Green, 34, 36, 53, 76 So to get Green they give up 12 and 16 but get 34 back. If GWS do the pick split They get their man at 3 and then Green is bid on at 4 (2034) they still need to find 1627 points to pay for him. 35 + 52 only give them 522 + 259 = 781 They need to find 1627 - 781 = 846 more points which is equivalent to pick 22 So in reality to make the pick split pay they need both pick 3 AND pick 21 off us. They are going to have to give big time to get both those picks of us. That's why I've been suggested about 12 + 16 + Caldwell for 3 + 21. This pick split deal would give GWS: 3, Green, 76 because they need to use 21 + 35 + 52 on Green So to get pick 3 and Green they would give up 12, 16, Caldwell, 35 and 52 - like I said - they'd need to really want pick 3

You've already conceded you don't know the structure of contracts so even if he is on $2M over 4 years, he might be heavily front loaded and getting $200k in the 4th year when we need the cap space. Do those maths.

Yes now you're talking Moonie! Wait, what if Goodwin WON Tattslotto and didn't need to work any more and just quit as coach! Maybe you all should get the numbers off Moonie and buy a ticket and google it in to Goodwin so this can happen! wowee - job done, problems solved!

Frost is 309th in the league for average metres gained. He's even well behind Stretch! Salem is our best at 47th. A lot of talk here about Frost's alleged attacking abilities. I think where he showed great improvement is his defensive abilities - uses his closing speed well and can stop tall (Ben Brown) or small (Elliott). I'm dubious we'll get enough value for him in a pick trade - probably a pick in the late 20s. If we trade him I hope it's for a player we need.

As some wag said: ANB defined the new description "2 touch player"

Ironic

Trumpets go ... diddlelit, diddlelit, diddlelit, dah ... I see Cossacks dancing!

Because they get pick 3 and Green who will go at pick 4 for 11 (2018), 12 and 14.

We need to get in as much top line class as we can, here's a reasonably equitable 3-way that's win-win-win and benefits each club: MFC: Give 3, 38 Get 12, Langdon, Caldwell (was GWS 1st 2018 pick at 11) First 3 picks: 12, 20, 56 Freo: Give: Langdon, 24 Get: 14, 38 First 3 picks: 7, 14, 38 (14 gives them a nice pick for Tim Kelly without having to use 7) GWS: Give: 12, 14, Caldwell Get: 3, 24 First 3 picks: 3, 24, 49 (3 for use before Green is bid on, 24 for points for Green)

2nd week of the finals is usually the most boring week of the season - except for last year when we were in it. This year it sparks some more interest than usual though: Geelong vs West Coast - I'll take some delight in whoever loses, probably more delight if it's Geelong going out in straight sets. Brisbane vs GWS - I'll take some delight in whoever wins, probably more delight if it's GWS just to hear their ripping theme song again.

Very happy to back Petty vs Hore. I think Hore could be best 22 but it's a matter of team balance. Petty is a superior prospect IMHO.

Here's my list assessment: Backline: A couple of years ago I was lamenting that we had too many half-backs on the list - now we don't have enough. IMO Hibberd is finished, Josh Wagner is conclusively not AFL standard, Lewis is gone, Hunt and J.Smith have been moved away from there, Jones is no good there and Fritsch has moved forward where he does his best work. We need 7 backs in the 22. I have faith that Nev will get back to at least near his best which was THE best in the AFL. May and Lever are no-brainers. Salem has to stay back here, Petty is too good to stay out of the team and will benefit from another pre-season. In this line-up Frost has to take a small which I think is fine. Hore is the next best back-line player on the list but I don't like the mix that he offers to that existing 6, we need more run, not more intercept marking. We need to trade in a running half-back, the only other ready-to-go player on the list that I think could succeed there is Hannan who would be worth a try if he can get over his injury issues. Otherwise it's Hore or Hibberd as 7th back. Jetta May Lever Salem Petty Frost Bench: ??? Depth: Hore, OMac, Hibberd Developing: Nietschke Mids: We need 8 mids in the 22 including the ruckman - and we're short on quality here. Gawn, Oliver, Brayshaw, Harmes are my go-to starting centre square set. We've got nothing on the wings - we need to close the Langdon deal and for one of KK or VDB to get fit to play. Petracca and Viney can rotate through and I've got them in the forwards. Despite the protestations on Demonland, Jones is still an AFL standard mid, just not in the starting set. I think it's pretty clear Billy Stretch is not up to AFL standard. JKH is just OK and is probably our only mature midfield depth standard. We need one or more of the development players or a new draftee to make big strides over the summer and cement a spot - it's not an unreasonable hope, you'll find all the finalists this year have 1st or 2nd year players in or near their starting 22s. Gawn Oliver Brayshaw Harmes Langdon KK/VDB Bench: Jones, ??? Depth: Preuss, JKH Developing: Jordon, Sparrow, Baker, Lockhart, C. Wagner, Dunkley Forwards: Surpringly, given our poor conversion this year, this is the area I think we're best served. I acknowledge our over-supply of inside mids and our under-supply of small forwards - moving Viney forward solves both these problems in one swoop - he's genuinely quick, a true contested crumber and will deliver ferocious defensive pressure. I have faith in TMac and Weid as marking targets, particularly with the progress of Fritsch. We need 7 forwards in the 22 and a couple of them in Petracca and Viney who can rotate through the middle as required. I think it's clear ANB is not up to AFL standard. We need one of the Smiths to get fit as depth. Petracca TMac Fritsch Viney Weideman Melksham Bench: Hannan Depth: Hunt, T.Smith, J.Smith Developing: Spargo, Bedford, Chandler, Bradtke So in the wrap up: Delist: Lewis Garlett Stretch ANB J.Wagner / Keilty Maynard Walker? Trade out: Hunt? - probably the only depth with any trade value, pick 3 in a pick swap with GWS Trade in: Langdon, running half-back or quality mid (maybe in a GWS pick swap deal) Draft: best available, but it would be nice to have a 1st rounder and get some more young mid or half-back quality onto the list

Maybe the full scope of Alan Richardson's role and his associated title is not settled just yet with the other staff changes still happening e.g. Jade Rawlings and now as mooted Todd Viney exits? But no - it's been more than 10 days now and you're overdue for a tantrum.

West Coast v Essendon - why can't they both lose? I'll probably end up on Essendon just because of the "booooo!!!!" Geelong v Collingwood - I'm heavily on the Pies, that shows how much I hate Geelong. I hope they lose in some controversial circumstance just to hear Scott's bleating and then are forced to play the semi at the MCG and lose that too. GWS v Western - I hope GWS beats the Dogs, I'm sick of Beveridge already Brisbane v Richmond - I hope Brisbane wins and goes all the way, but I'd prefer the Tigers or GWS won the flag ahead of any of the rest.

Unless they keep winning.

Ed read Demonland

Go Cora-Lynn :-)

Yes, we weren't named in the clubs chasing Dustin Martin, Josh Kelly, Stephen Coniglio.

I'll assume GC get pick 2 and we are serious about splitting pick 3 (2234). The talk is that GWS will trade 12 (1268) and 14 (1161) = (2429) which looks like equitable value. This is so they can take pick 3 before they have to match a bid on Tom Green who may be bid on as early as pick 4 (2034 with a 20% discount = 1627). The problem with this theory is that GWS doesn't have 2nd or 4th rounders and its next picks are 49 (287), 75 (0) and 85 (0). That leaves them a long way short of 1627 and would put them in a big deficit of 1340 in 2020 - equivalent to pick 11 (1329) - likely to be around their 1st pick next year. GWS will be desperate to trade in some mid range picks this year to make up the shortfall on Green. We could be in a strong position to bundle in some later picks for a good GWS player that we fancy.

Good post. I agree with trying Viney as a small forward - he could solve all our problems down there. He has legitimate speed off the mark, would provide genuine contested crumbing and ferocious defensive pressure. The knock on the idea is that his kicking is inaccurate and we've had a problem with goal conversion. But I could live with that - we've been living with ANB!!!