Temporarily Hopeful Demon

Utter stupidity of the highest order

I get that we all have our own opinions but for me we've reached the stage where it's extremely difficult to see how Oliver will go down as a better MFC player than Gawn. Gawn has the equal record number of AAs and is still among the best players in the game at the age of 34, while Oliver hasn't been a top player since he was 25. He also puts Oliver to shame in terms of off field professionalism.

Definitely our best small forward since Jeff Farmer (who was an absolute freak). I reckon he's a good chance of surpassing him by the end of the year, especially if he sticks with us till the end.

Couldn't have said it any better. The amount of babysitting the club did for Oliver was next level. Gawn took him in his home while his wife was preganant and the club let him skip the 2024 pre-season as well as a game this year so that he can look after his mental health. Yet apparently he's the victim of this barbaric club while Trac is the villain. Makes no sense.

Fair enough

Hate to rain on Oliver's parade, but I am genuinely amazed that people keep saying that he's our best player since Flower when we literally have Max Gawn.

I'm a huge Oliver critic now and I am one of the few people on here who prefers Trac over him, but you're just re-writing history. The year after '21 he was the AFLCA winner and the best and fairest.

For me it's the exact opposite

Mate he's a 4× AA, 2× Best and Fairest and a Norm Smith medalist. I'd say his 2020-2023 was one of the best four stretches I've ever seen from any of our players. I'd say he was very consistent for a long time.

Couldn't disagree more

It also hopefully gets rid of that stupid myth on here that he is so much more morally superior and committed to the club than Trac is.

I know that very certain people on here are going to be extremely quiet on this...

We were NOT a touch away from competing again. Sure, we beat Brisbane at home but we then proceeded to have only three wins for the rest of the year, two of which were against the worst teams of the decade to date. And our loss against St Kilda late in the year exposed how desperate we were for a new voice. Goodwin made numerous bad decisions that day (using Spargo as a sub, playing Petty forward, and putting Melksham and Pickett on the bench in the last quarter). It was obvious at that point that he was finished. He did plenty of good for the team but he had also well and truly overstayed his welcome. As for players "marching out" when King comes in, Oliver has been a huge problem for this club for two years and King made the right move taking a tough stance on him. His lack of professionalism has put a massive spotlight on the club for all the wrong reasons. And there's literally zero evidence to suggest that Mcvee's departure is to do with King, just like there was no evidence to suggest that the departure of Jackson was to do with Goodwin. It's also worth noting that Trac's intention to leave was already brewing last year, when King had no involvement in the club.

I meant as a person. And Gawn will go down as better than Clarry :)

Mate you have a history of criticising other posters who question the coach and the club's decisions and now you're already turning on someone who is still yet to coach a single game in his life. Funny how quickly you've shifted the goalposts.