Lord Nev

Just now, mo64 said:

Do you really think clubs add a premium based on those? Lewis Taylor won a Rising Star. Jacob Townsend was an impactful player in a Premiership side. Club BnF finishes would hold more weight.

It's just an indication of the players worth on the market.

Let's not take this to silly places now with comparisons based on awards and premierships, we all recognize there's more to it than that alone right?

Anyways, we're not getting Naughton either way. I'm tapping out as promised.

1 minute ago, John Demonic said:

Jason Johannison would go first. Norm Smith, Premiership player

Haha not bad mate.

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Jackson worth higher then Naughton?

Sheesh.. I would say Naughton is every bit worth more then Jackson who realistically hasn't achieved the same on field output what Naughton has.

Rising Star, Premiership player.

Who would go first if they were being drafted this year?

Rate Naughton very highly, but we're talking market worth here.

I'll leave it at that, don't wanna back over it too many times. Understand if others have a differing opinion on Demonland.

1 minute ago, homsar said:

Fair enough - we all have different opinions on players. But I maintain the pick they went at initially should have no bearing. That is what he cost us, which has nothing to do with his worth or what others may be willing to spend to get him. If Jackson is a better player (or better potential, or whatever) than Naughton, then that is all that any other club would care about.

It doesn't eventually, but for 20/22 year old key position players it does IMO (unless they're complete duds).

Where would Jackson go if he was in the draft this year? How about Naughton? Guarantee you 99% of people (outside of those on Demonland who have now turned on him and are desperate for a key forward) would have Jackson going first out of the two.

52 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

Coaches have been forced to stand down due to their serious accusations. at least 3 separate accounts of horrible actions, which are now being investigated.

Livelihoods and (more importantly) reputations Lives have been impugned and potentially ruined, hence why there's now an investigation.

If they won't participate in an AFL investigation then that investigation has next to no credibility. the statements they've already made will be tested such as they are.

Fixed it for you.

Just now, homsar said:

Why does their pick they initially went at matter?

Given their ages it clearly has an impact, albeit not a main one, on their worth on the trade market.

Again, would love Naughton, be unreal for us, but in terms of trade market worth Jackson would be higher IMO. As good as he is, I don't see any clubs being willing to offer 2 top 10 picks and a million a year for him.

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Anyone that wouldn’t take Naughton for Jackson is dead set mental 

Jackson - Pick 3, Rising Star winner, Premiership player, 20 years old.

Naughton - Pick 9, 22 years old.

I get it, I really want a key forward too and obviously people have 'turned' somewhat on Jackson on Demonland, but you guys are kidding yourselves if you think their worth on the market is the same.

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

Maybe but if we finish up losing Jackson and replacing him with Naughton and Grundy I’d say that’s a pretty good outcome 

Would need to take in the whole big picture of everything, but yeah absolutely.

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

Your bias is blinding you there, I’d take Naughton as a straight swap for Jackson in a heart beat

Sure, with Jackson leaving I'd be happy if Naughton replaced him, but what I said was "worth", and IMO the market worth of Jackson is higher than Naughton.

Of course, you would note that in the trade scenario we'd be trading Jackson AND a 2nd rounder for Naughton.

Just now, CYB said:

Not a chance. LJ may have potential to become a better player, but that is looking unlikely based on this years performance.  
 

If we could do this trade then I’d take it take and run. However LJ is worth more than 13 and 32.

Pick 32 is our pick.

Jackson and 32 for Naughton is clearly overs.

4 minutes ago, Hannibal Inc. said:

There seems to be a presumption that their accounts are beyond scrutiny and are to be accepted as fact.

No there isn't.

3 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I see your point, just don't think the Dogs would even give it a second glance unless we offered overs to be honest. 

his contracted status creates a bit of a headache in terms of getting any trade done, i reckon there is a live possibility they'd say no even if Naughton did request a trade, which is unlikely to happen if it hasn't already 

Yep, fair point. I don't really see us having a chance at him barring the long shot of him being one of the players who (apparently) doesn't like the culture and sees a split in the group.

Now, should we still be shopping at the end of 2024, Naughton not re-signed, and Ben Brown finishing up with us.....

6 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

I'm going to throw up a total hypothetical trade idea without any knowledge of if there is any truth to this. 

Dees: Aaron Naughton

Dogs: Rory Lobb pick 13, Pick 32 

Freo: Luke Jackson

Jackson worth>Naughton worth IMO

(let alone chucking in a 2nd rounder as well)

One for the  'I'm offended by modern society and overreacting' crowd...

15 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

Pure conjecture but what if the behavioural clauses state they can dock half his contract or simply delist him as they see fit?

I can see why he would not not want to sign something like that.....and the clauses are probably pages long.

Collingwood will either look weak and relent on some of the clauses or will likely lose him to St Kilda, who will have many less clauses attached to his contract.

Tricky one to negotiate for the Pies! Suffer!

8 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

De Goey has made the right call. In today’s hysterical world, it is too easy for a social media bandit to take a picture of him, alleging “behavioural issues” and next minute he is front page of the HS and sacked.

Ah yes, I'm sure Collingwood would sack one of their best players on a huge contract just simply off the basis of 1 social media post without investigating to the nth degree. Not an over the top take at all...

8 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Example 1:   A.Clarkson. 99% of people have written him off, and want him sacked. My guess is more than likely he doesn’t deserve to be sacked. Watch this space.

Do they? I don't recall saying anyone anywhere saying Clarkson should be immediately sacked, let alone '99% of people'.

Couple of classic red hot takes here mate.

1 minute ago, whatwhat say what said:

it's not just $1.6m over the next 2 years tho, is it? it's $1.6m over the next 2 years then, you'd think, at a bare minimum $0.8m over the two after that

he's not going to want to sign only a two year deal - he's looking for security of position in the afl system as much as he's looking to FINALLY get paid what gc17 have owed him over a period of time

it's a big commitment

Just now, JimmyGadson said:

It's a lot, for sure. And maybe too much. Although it's for one year at that figure. 

Aside from the players I mentioned, you'd like to know how much we'll have to play with given the money we would have had for Jackson if he stayed. Plus Gawn, Lever and May would all be on significantly less given their age and contract status. But maybe that's been balanced out by us signing on Trac, Oliver and Gus on long deals for significant money. 

Zero idea. 

Just want pick 7.

I hear ya for sure, and it's an intriguing one if it's true we do want to go to the draft a bit more this year and next.

I believe the Bowes figure is around 1.6mil over the next 2 years, so it's more than just that initial year we'd have to worry about. We've made some big re-signings the last couple of years, we'll have Grundy on the books (at least for 600K or so), May and Kozzy next year will both still get pretty decent deals IMO, Lever and Langdon the year after. Plus, there's always the chance we have to overpay JVR a little bit if he's tempted to head home (out of contract next year also).

I reckon with Jackson gone, compo for Hunt (albeit not much), Tomlinson trade, possibly 1 or 2 others in the mix, then with some 'up-trading' - I could see us having 2x 1st rounders and 2x 2nd rounders this year which the club might be happy with as is.

2 minutes ago, JimmyGadson said:

I'd be more than comfortable to move a player like Hunt on given he's 27 and has never become a consistent 22 player. And whilst he played the majority of this year, he is definitely replaceable. 

Then there's any of Tomlinson, Bedford, Weideman, Melksham, ANB who I'd be comfortable moving on.

It's being reported 850k next year is the asking price salary wise for Bowes.

Tomlinson, Weid and ANB are all contracted, which makes it difficult, and none of Hunt, Bedford or Melksham off our books gives us huge relief salary wise I wouldn't have thought. Plus, it's not like you can ditch 3-4 players to accommodate 1, we'd still need to bring in other players.

I'm under the impression we'll be looking to add more younger players this year and next given the contracts we've done and need to do so as tempting as that pick 7 is, I'm not sure that 850k for a player who would be iffy for our 22 is doable for us.

1 minute ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

That would be awesome, but he might want to get to Victoria.

It does seem like Vic clubs so far, but he's from Cairns originally isn't he?

Would it make sense for Freo to go after Bowes and then use pick 7 as part of the Jackson trade?