Lord Nev

1 minute ago, McQueen said:

They’re having punch ups at Essendon. That’s intense. 
Culture going to a new level there. 😂

Not totally sure that's a critique we should be throwing around tbh...

22 minutes ago, Tough Kent said:

 

missed a very gettable goal.

but missed a gettable goal.

but missed a very kickable goal.

but only managed to hit the post.

missed two consecutive snaps on goal.

kicked it out on the full from deep in the pocket.

missed a very gettable goal

I'm sensing some kind of pattern here....

If anyone at Casey today? Starting to see SSP signings happen now so would be interested if there's any clues to that with us.

11 hours ago, Dante said:

Pell’s conviction was quashed by the Court of appeal 7 zero, so I’m not sure what you are on about there.

There's more to Pell's history though than that one court case. You'd be aware of that though I'm sure.

42 minutes ago, Deebauched said:

With Gawn and Grundy alternating up fwd + Brown Tmac Fritch and Pickett very few slots available for guys like spargo sparrow and even anb.

What's the difference from when it was Gawn and Jackson?

3 minutes ago, Theo said:

Whilst that link shows training times  for 18 Jan. the MFC website no longer has a link to future training sessions. The website seems to have changed this week with the drop-down info on training times no longer shown. I hope I'm wrong but the website has clearly changed this week.

It's there, it's under the "Teams" tab.

14 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Yeah I agree.

To be honest I don't have much of a gauge on Howes. I saw bits of him at Casey but that was after his serious leg injury which really put him on the back foot.

I'm guessing he's training as a wingman? Still think he'd be more suited to that Jack Gunstn type role up forward.

Wouldn't be surprised to see Howes play games early in the year (on the wing).

10 hours ago, bing181 said:

No-one here is saying that they're happy with the way 2021 turned out. But winning back-to-back premierships is a near impossible task and you need a lot to go right - which for whatever reason wasn't the case last year. 

Agree mate. Disagreements on reasons aside, let's hope we learned whatever we needed to and get another flag this year. Gotta make the most of the window we're in.

2 hours ago, rjay said:

You have consistently said you do...

No I haven't. There's a difference between looking back at things in hindsight and seeing likely mistakes to saying any of us nuffies know better than the experienced professionals.

36 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Saw a first (for me anyway). Clarry came off during one of the simulations. He was blowing a bit and was handed an inhaler. He had a couple of puffs and seemed fine. Is this usual for him?

Guessing on this, but if he's asthmatic then due to the sudden temp change/storm last night it's close to the 'asthma storm' conditions they talk about so might have just been more prone to it.

22 minutes ago, rjay said:

I think you are both wrong.

The FD has a much better idea of who is equiped to play.

I don't think anyone has said they know better than the footy dept, but if you're happy with us falling apart as the year went on and getting bundled out in straight sets than you had lower expectations for 2022 than me.

22 minutes ago, rjay said:

On that senior list Brown, Baker, Weed, Dunstan, Tommo, Smith, & Melk, 3 have gone, one (Tommo) we couldn't move on and another (Smith) always injured.

 So? Hunt is gone too but we still played him.

22 minutes ago, rjay said:

As for mentioning Howes "Nev'...I don't get your point, he was injured.

...and they would likely have pulled the trigger on him as they did with disco if he wasn't.

 That's the point. You said only Bedford and Chandler were pushing for selection, that seems incorrect given the facts on who was listed in the emergencies, who was being talked about by the coaches and the fact Howes was inline to play the week he got injured.

22 minutes ago, rjay said:

So they weren't averse to playing kids but the kids had to be ready to go.

 Disagree. You seem to be one of the very very few here who think there were no issues with our management and selection last year. For mine, the fact we fell apart in the later part of the year was due to those factors. From my perspective, the issue was about managing our sore and injured players and perhaps trying to 'do a 2021' with the management when our injury situation and preparation were different to the previous year. It's not about blooding young players or bringing in someone who's banging the door down, it's about using the depth on your list to sufficiently fulfill our role based system in a way that allows our best players to perform at their capacity for more of the year and at key times. Now that seems to be where we disagree, which is fine, but again, given how our year played out I find it strange you can be so firm with your "you are both wrong".

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23 minutes ago, rjay said:

There really weren't any walk up starts at Casey.

Neither would have made a huge difference.

But we didn't need 'walk up starts' or player to 'make a huge difference' we just needed good enough role players to allow us to manage injured players and compliment our 'difference makers' in players like Petracca, Oliver, May etc etc..

23 minutes ago, rjay said:

We had Brown, Baker, Weed, Dunstan, Tommo, Smith, Buntine, Munro, White & Melk...the AFL listed were all in the break glass in case of emergency category.

Exactly. We had depth there that would have allowed us to manage players better.

23 minutes ago, rjay said:

Of our younger brigade only Chandler & Bedford were pushing.

That doesn't seem correct. Howes was in line to debut before being unlucky with injury (I believe Richo confirmed this at one stage), JVR was obviously extremely close to selection given Goody talked about it, Laurie would have been around the mark as would have a few others given they were emergencies a few times if I recall correctly.

23 minutes ago, rjay said:

JVR wasn't ready. Wishing was never going to make it so...the club did the right thing long term in holding him back.

He didn't need to come in and tear a game apart, he was just needed to come in and play a role given TMac was injured, Jackson was sore and out of form and Brown was on one leg, if that, and just nowhere near it. We already have the core talent, I don't understand why there seems to be this angle of having young/VFL players come in and 'make a huge difference'.

Find it strange you seem to be labeling all these as correct decisions when we fell apart at the end of the year and went out in straight sets.

55 minutes ago, bing181 said:

It's actually not obvious at all, it's conjecture. There could be (and are) any number of reasons for our failures at the end of the season, many of which we're not even aware of.

Like what? What would you suggest is more likely the reason?

Buckley's now giving out salary cap advice...

14 hours ago, bing181 said:

The idea that we could have gone deeper in the finals playing the likes of Baker or Dunstan is just ...

No one has suggested that, and most aren't talking about changing the team in the finals, more about gradually managing during the year.

Gawn, Salem, Lever, Jackson, Brown and more clearly weren't right during the year. Literally no one has said drop them all for finals and bring in Dunstan and Baker. During the season however, it's pretty obvious it would have served us better to have gotten Brown right, bring in JVR or Weid really we would have not lost anything given how hampered and out of form Brown was. Rotate the rest through for rests, that's the whole point in having more than 22 players on the list. Take out one of Gawn or Jackson and bring in Weid, take out Lever and bring in Tomlinson (or Turner pre-injury), Bowey for Salem etc etc, there were so many options there that could have meant more rotation of players.

I mean, if we weren't playing banged up players then what's the reason for our season falling in a heap? Yes, the whole 'Goody's faves' thing gets overdone, and not a season goes by without selection whinges from Demonland, but the management of the players and failure to rotate them when we had the chance is so obviously the reason for our failure in finals and I hope lessons have been learned and the balance is better this year if we go through a similar situation.

23 minutes ago, Mincho Mania said:

Freo have gone public saying we under-utilized him as a forward and they have the magic beans to turn him in to Tom Lynch.

Personally, I think they're dreaming.

They also said they had him down for a 'unique midfield role'.

13 minutes ago, RedLegs23 said:

I was at Casey lads. I'll leave the reporting to the others but feel free to ask me any questions you may have.

🔴🔵

My question is - What happened at training today?

1 hour ago, binman said:

Now that he is left, i feel strangely more comfortable knocking Jackson. 

But now he is freo player i can say JACKSON IS MILES OFF BEING A GENUINE FORWARD. 

There are a number of reason why, for example he has no idea about leading patters it would appear. But his biggest issue is he doesn't use his body like a real forward the way Tmac and Fritter do. Doesn't seem able to protect the drop zone and often jumps straight up like the basketballer he is - which might be a factor in why he double grabs so often.

He'll no doubt improve his forward craft - he's a kid still after all (and a supremely talented one at that) - but he is well behind the eight ball given those skills are not instinctive.

By way of comparison, when i first saw Fritter play for Casey, the thing that jumped out straight away was how well he used his body and how natural a forward he was.  Those skills immediately translated to the AFL level. 

Just a thought - Maybe he won't be played as a forward anymore...

42 minutes ago, 58er said:

Time will tell but we didn't get Lachie to play out in the wind at Casey. JJ could still also be in the top 23 on the ball perhaps. 

See above.

46 minutes ago, adonski said:

We're not trading for a player who has known baggage to stick him in Casey I wouldn't have thought

Nowhere did I say I expect him to be 'stuck at Casey'.

All I said was he would need to prove himself and earn a spot in the 22 with a ripper preseason and isn't a walk up start. Do you disagree?

36 minutes ago, picket fence said:

He hasnt been recruited to play at Casey!! Agree a very astute ball distributer! Hunter a lock! How did Matt Jefferson train??

I have reasonably high hopes for him, but giving up a future 3rd rounder for him would tell you he's absolutely no lock to walk into a top 4 team's lineup without having a ripper preseason.

25 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

The Geelong strategy isn't without risk though, i understand it worked incredibly well for a team of over 30's but potentially for a younger side it could upset the balance and team chemistry so it's a tough one to balance. 

i think with those things they could do the exact same thing next season with totally different results, the reality seems to be winning a premiership requires so many small things to go right for you that it's almost out of your control. i think the top few teams are so close, that it almost comes down to luck in some ways. 

I do agree though that Simon Goodwin at times probably could reward strong Casey performances, a good example would be that Ben Brown in hindsight could have been replaced by Jacob Van Rooyen who despite being young, was clearly in much better form. 

 

Absolutely, the whole thing is a delicate balance hey? It can't be a set in stone rule I don't think, but does feel like we pushed too hard to one side last year. The contrast being the year before we didn't really 'manage' players and steamrolled through, just goes to show they perhaps need to be a little more flexible with the parts to the plan IMO.

And to be clear, I'm in no way a fan of resting numerous players per game or doing it all at once, but I definitely think we could have managed players like Gawn, Jackson, Lever, Brown and Salem better last year and perhaps rotated them through 1 at a time with a week or two off when it would have been beneficial.

Aside from the benefits of getting those key mature players a bit more cherry ripe, there's also that little energy bump you see sometimes when a new young player comes in for a game.

12 minutes ago, rjay said:

I don't think we were in the position to rest our key players 'dazz'... Geelong could do it because of the easy draw they had in the last part of the season, ours wasn't so kind plus midseason results meant we had to work for our top 4 spot.

The opportunity just didn't present itself.

In the end it was all for nothing.

Then again maybe not if lessons were learnt.

Geelong started the process mid-season, there is absolutely no reason we couldn't have started to manage payers when we were 10-1.

Just now, rjay said:

People are allowed to change opinions 'Nev'.

I think it's would be a good thing if more of us did when faced with critical evidence rather than hold an entrenched view and argue it to the death.

But he hasn't changed opinions... that's the point.