Matsuo Basho

No, you’re on the money Mondè. Hogan will be at Melbourne for another 12 months. May won’t be coming. Freo aren’t giving us pick 5 for Hogan even if they do send Neale to Brisbane. All the trade permutations posters on here are rambling on with will be for nought.

A joke reply. Are you questioning my seriousness?

Poor bugga didn’t get it lace out at hip height into the breadbasket enough. Got it. What else have you got in your excuse Rolodex?

You’re reaching deanox. 9 goals in 8 games against top 10 teams. That tells me he was comprehensively pantsed by the better defenders in the league and went kick chasing to wide positions upfield out of frustration. Check his heatmaps you will see. I understand it doesn’t gel with the whole “generational player” schtick but there it is. The FD see what I see. Which is why we’re not bending over backwards to keep him. Okay to good player but something’s missing.

Referring back to one game three years ago doesn’t exactly sell your argument.

Hogan was a 23yo 60+ gamer with a mature body going into the 2018 season. Weid still a baby in KPF terms. Silly comparison.

Way too vague Patches. Link? Actual quote? *You don’t give up pick 5 in a superdraft for Hogan ... A) Because you don’t value him that highly or B) You think you can get him on the cheap next year.

Did you watch replays of our 8 games against the top 10 clubs where he kicked a paltry 9 goals, going missing in virtually all of them? Accurate perceptions are great but only if they actually are accurate.

We shall see I guess.

Source Patches? Again, who says Freo promised this?

No-one from Melbourne officially said anything. Damian Barrett reported on trade radio that he had heard Melbourne would’ve accepted 5 & 23. No source given.

Pick 11 doesn’t get us May. Pointless to accept it. Freo knew that of course.

Sue ... if you don’t think AFL clubs are capable of all manner of shenanigans when it comes to recruiting and poaching players you’re a tad in the naive column.

We’ll be taking less this time next year.

There’s a reason we are not fighting tooth and nail to keep him. Quite the opposite in fact. The club is indeed fed up of the annual Jesse Hogan Ringling Brothers Barnum & Bailey Circus. Freo know this and are exploiting it to the hilt.

How do you know they didn’t do that on purpose? It put MFC and its supporters offside making us even more fed up with the circus than we were. Looked more a deliberate tactic to drive price down to me.

Sure it’s not his shifty brother - Ben?

Not if Freo have a handshake agreement with Jesse and his manager to bring him over next year if Melbourne don’t capitulate at the trade table now. Whatever your own thoughts are on the King Bros, if you can hold on to the rolled gold of pick 5 in a superdraft AND get your key forward 12 months later ... only a mug list manager would not look at that as an attractive option. I don’t like how Fremantle are manoeuvring any more than the next Demon fan, but try looking at the situation from Peter Bell’s size 6 brogues. If he can find a way to have his cake and eat it too he’s going to explore it. I know I sure as hell would if I were them.

Me either ManDee. I’ll reciprocate on my two first rounders demand and settle for 1 month. If only you and I were handling this Hogan affair. Sensible heads!

We won’t know either way for 12 months. But you can’t use that as an excuse not to give Chicken Nixon a run as your avatar.

As bitter a pill as this? I think not!

Staying. Either Freo are truly cold on him or they will wait 12 months to get him on the cheap. If I were Freo the temptation to take a King brother now with the Neale pick 5, then bring Jesse home next year would be a very enticing one. Would set up their forward line for 10 years.

If Jesse kicks a goal in red and blue next season for every poster who says they have “good mail” on what’s happening we will win the flag. * I’ve stated nowhere that he has ill feeling towards Melbourne. Merely that he’s dead keen to leave and get to Freo.

It’s my ‘opinion’ that Hogan toured Freo facilities and went deep into discussions, medical checks with them about a trade? No vibe ManDee. Photos are also admissible in court. Have you got your Ricky Nixon in jockeys pic copy, pasted and at the ready? Make sure it’s the right sized file for upload.

I’m reading that a guy currently playing at a top club with premiership aspirations and an attacking style of footy suited to forwards is VERY open to being traded to a shite club with a dour defensive minded coach with little hope of playing finals for at least the next three years. Am I wrong?