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7 minutes ago, DTJ said:

I think you'll find that while journalists aren't Secret agents for XYZ, they're certainly able to be manipulated by clubs.

The journalists get their info from sources within the clubs and player management. Some interpret what their told to hopefully get close to objective reporting, others, like JM, roll out club propaganda. Wittingly or not.

TBH, I'm not sure what's worse, wittingly reporting club propaganda or not having the wits to realize that you're doing it.

Have a read of the article though, it's absurd. Reads as Freo suspect something is not quite right because... Jesse, his management and the MFC are acting as though Jesse is in fact a star forward.

But crappy journalism exists in all area's of news, but it doesn't mean its due to manipulation or secret relationships, or even favouritism. It's just an opinion that may be way off. 

EDIT: having read the article i see nothing wrong with it.... where's the problem?

13 minutes ago, Good Lord George said:

Spoken like a true lurking Fox Footy 'reporter'.

Seriously though, while I agree they may not be pushing a hidden agenda, it is entirely possible they are being fed by a particular club for a reason.

Seriously though, what is more likiley:

A) Us, die hard melbourne supporters, over rate Hogan's value and/or Melbourne's power in this situation. 

B) A neutral Journo who studies all clubs, players and trades, AND whose livelihood depends on them being good at their job, being untruthful on purpose.

BTW, i think Hogan was worth pick 6 & 7, or 6 and brayshaw/cerra. 

3 minutes ago, sue said:

In general I agree with you.  However it would be naive to assume that none of them have agendas.  Most of them are not real journalists who have a code of ethics.  They are ex-player and members of boys clubs.  Many of them probably suck up to individuals at clubs and that may influence their 'reporting'.  So if one of them has a clear history of bias, I don't think a tin foil hat is needed.  Personally I don't follow any of them. I barely recognise their names.

But when has that happened with the Jesse Hogan situation? If Pavlic weighed in on the situation, sure i'd take it with a massive grain of salt. But no journo, Mclure or Morris included, are out to get Melbourne, neither is montagna. 

Can we stop calling any journalist that has an opinion we disagree with a "Secret agent for XYZ club" or a "Melbourne hater". its just not true. These guys may be wrong, but there's no hidden agenda, take off the tin foil hats. 

I say we keep Hogan, and hopefully next year Kennedy retires and we can have a bidding war between WC and Freo. 

4 minutes ago, Redleg said:

What part of “ we will not be pursuing JH “ is not clear?

They are out of any JH deal.

Most people think they will renege on that if the Neale trade happens

Edit: thats also not the words Freo used, they were much more cryptic 

really happy the boys at the dees supported jesse throughout this whole ordeal. 

If jones and co. had acted the way tex walker acted when Lever wanted to leave then we would be f'ed. But jesse can come back to the dees and we will wrap our arms around him. That's the culture of this club now, a culture we can be proud of. 

The positive is that Collingwood cannot land Beams and May, hopefully they go for Beams as he has specifically stated he wants to go to collingwood. Then it's a one horse race for May, and GC lose much of it's bargaining power. 

Brisbane - collingwood trade will take so long.

Freo will wait to see what Brisbane get for Beams. 

This hogan deal will get done in the last minute of the trade period

16 minutes ago, Neitz the Great said:

If Freo do a trade with adelaide for 5 + something for Pick 13 and 16, 

Freo trades us pick 6 and 13 for Hogan, 

We trade GC pick 13 and 2018 FR pick for May and Pick 19

We then trade pick 6 and 19 plus steak knives to Port Adelaide for pick 10 and 11

All parties would have to agree to it but could be a way to work around the deadlock in picks.

Thoughts?

Not bad, except i would just keep 6 and 19 if that deal went through. 

Only issue here is GC, i would think we would receive 2019 second rounder instead of pick 19. Remembering gold coast would get pick 2 or 3 next year if they made him sit out a year. 

Just now, Johnny Karate said:

I agree with the gist of your post. I was probably over the top. Definitely, journos would have better sources than myself.

That said, there have been plenty of journalists dressing their opinions as fact, particularly during trade period. Particularly on trade radio there are presenters who show stunning ignorance when it comes to footballers, their attributes and trade value.

if you listened today, Barrett refused to give any air to the "failed medical rumour", or other rumours he had not heard from a reputable source. The only time they state their opinions in when they are guessing what pick a player is worth, and that were fans get angry.. but they are more than entitled to discuss what a player may be worth

13 minutes ago, ProDee said:

There's a propensity on here (and elsewhere) to denigrate every journo who utters something that supporters don't like.

It's very childish.

And even the most clueless journo knows more than just about every individual who posts here.

agreed. and the big journo's, even Sam Mclure, have gained high powered positions by being good at their jobs. 

13 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

He plays much smaller though, and doesn't really have a burst to be able to stick on the key forwards. I do like him, but he's a tall back flanker or potential 3rd forward. His ball use is very good, in fact (wait for the outrage), he reminds me of Jack Watts when he went back a few years back, not sure if he's as good forward as Jack could be though.

I think he does probably play smaller, but that can change. One of his apparent attributes are his athleticism, so not sure where you getting the slow turn of foot from.

8 minutes ago, A F said:

He could well turn into a good player. He has some nice attributes: reads the ball well, is calm under pressure and good mobility for his size. But he's a bit too prone to turn it over by foot for me. Not really any better than Oscar at this stage. Has more mobility than Oscar, but Oscar would have him by foot. 

According to articles and his bio's he is a really nice kick... it's meant to be his best attribute.

This kid is good, GWS signed him for another 2 years, but they don't have the cap space. They are leaking players to stay within the cap and the rest of the league has a chance to benefit. If we can get him for a 4th or 5th round pick it would be a massive win. Only downside would be how much he is on, we wouldn't want him eating up too much of our cap space.

34 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

We need

1. 2nd ruck

2. a big bodied key back who won't be pushed out of the way

3. some outside run and class, either from midfield or half back.

Can't see Finlayson as these.

He is tall enough to become a key back, needs to get stronger. But is bigger than alex rance.

Also we have 10 spots on our list. So we need to bring in player outside those 3 needs. 

28 minutes ago, DemonLad5 said:

nope nup nada 

nice analysis

3 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Very different player to May, wouldn't be a key back (at least not for a while), he has the height but plays more as a 3rd tall. Does have a very good kick and is capable forward, so wouldn't be against it, but he's no key back. 

Yeah he's different, but the more options we have, the more likely we will find a combination that works. As far as i know, there is no other powerful key defender on the market besides May.

 I haven't watched him much, but from what i've read he is actually a good kick.

Also being 22, he could be a project player, rather than an instant best 22. 

92kg, 196cm, 22 years old. Fast, can play forward or back. 

Avaliable from GWS, was tipped to go to north however they landed pittard instead.

A good option if we do not end up landing May. 

traderadio just crash for anyone?

1 minute ago, johndemonic said:

Would like to hear mahoney answer a question of what will be done in defence if Hogan stays. Do we have a plan b recruit or May next year?

Lever. He's rated higher than May in AFL player ratings.

7 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Strong core group ??? Sorry you are delusional.

 

 

I am of the belief our top 20 pick themselves week in week out. We have amazing young and old leaders, and a coach that has the players hearts. I say our core group is very strong and will see us play finals for the next 4 years at least. 

Edit: i said 6 years, but that is probably too far into the future. 

How about:

Freo: Pick 5 & 6, 2019 2nd rounder

For

Dees: Hogan, 2019 1st rounder

13 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Mate you seem obsessed or maybe seduced by flashy players who have a history of "problems".

These players should be avoided like the plague - keep them away from our club - we have just become competitive after a decade of being a laughing stock.

Ross Lyon has form on this - he got rid of Luke Ball and traded in Andrew Lovett - that worked well didn't it ?

Then he tried Col Silvia and then Bennell - all major fails.

Don't be sucked in by talent - if a player lacks integrity or is a serial prat keep well away.

 

 

I'm of the opinion that when you have a really strong core group, you are then in a position to take some risks with the last 2 spots on the list. If i was a club down the bottom of the list, or a club without strong leadership i would never want a troubled player. But look, you could well be right. It would really depend on Bennell's mindset, and whether or not has grown up, which we can never know. 

10 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

You need to sit down with Ross and Rocket and hash out your differences of opinion with them over this one.

But only after you’ve spoken with the footy depts at Melbourne, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Essendon and explained to them why you think they’ve got their assessments of Steven May all wrong.

Let me know how you get along.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

Have a read of these dragon, you exhibit many of these deductive errors time and time again. 

Like i said previously, I don't know if Bennell or May or any player will work. At least i comprehend the limitations of the human mind, you believe that you can tell the future. 

For the record, i want May, but i think we can win a flag without him. You know this already, but you choose to change my words to better represent your argument. And that is your issue, you try to win arguments rather than have fruitful discussions. 

6 minutes ago, EnterTheDragon said:

I remember Rodney Eade saying in an interview about his time at the Suns that there were a number of off field incidences that the media did not get  wind of regarding Bennell. The look of disappointment/disdain/pity on Rocket’s face said it all.

You are barking up the wrong tree on this one LordNevX. You’re consistent bro I’ll give you that!

I put forward points of view with the understanding that i may be wrong, and an understanding that nobody can actually know for sure if Bennell would work, or if May would work, or how playing 3 talls would work. 

I think you forget your opinions are not facts. (take a leaf out of @P-man's book, he/she knows how to have a discussion with someone of opposing opinions)

3 minutes ago, P-man said:

I admire your openmindedness but the risk is just too high. Not simply in terms of the return we will get from him on the field, which alone is a risk, but let’s not underestimate the influence a player of his age could have on players five years his junior. It’s not a case of ruining an entire football club. It’s a case of being a contributor to standards dropping that 1% which can affect results, which can affect seasons.

This is a bloke who after being given umpteen chances still finds himself involved in nightclub brawls and turning up to training late. The need for another classy outside player is great, but it’s not that great.

Fair enough, i guess we differ on that point. I just think with the leaders we have at the club now that he couldn't do any damage; Like i couldn't see a new draftee going off the rails with Bennell whilst the likes of Gawn, Jones, Oliver and Viney are around. Plus i think Bennell would walk into the club with his tail between his legs, rather than full of youthful cockiness.

Of course, none of us actually know Harley or his current mind-state, intentions or values.