Dr.D

Go for your life. I don't think we'll play finals. I think a lot of supporters outside die-hard dees fans expect the same.

i recognise that they are different players and different positions. but i never said i wanted an outside accumulator that is soft and unaccountable defensively. I'd much prefer a key defender for obvious reasons. if anything we need speed through the midfield. the pies exposed us for leg speed when we played them. guys like stephenson, degoey, hoskin elliott just embarassed us on the spread so the last person i'd want is gaff. pretty sure he couldn't run 20m in 3s. he's quite slow.

i'm sorry but no, players definitely don't always give 100%. players are human and their work ethic drops off. some games when melbourne don't come to play, thats a mental attitude thing. which is hard to train. you can't tell me the players that played against the pies played at the same defensive intent as the games against geelong or port Adelaide. thats also why finals football is different to home and away football. teams step up, theres more at stake and players are dialled in mentally.

Really? pretty sure the hawks won a granny in 08 being young. Also, we're not that young according to the average ages of the starting 22. pretty sure we're middle of the road. Making the finals is a weak goal...we haven't won a flag since 64..and that should be our goal. We really should have been on top of the ladder if had of won the 2 geelong games, the stkilda game and the port game that the umpires stole from us. That's where we should be if players were a bit smarter with their footy IQ.

Did a win help us? Last time I checked I don't think we're closer to the finals according to the ladder predictor...I budgeted for a win against the dogs. Still have us finishing 12th! We haven't beaten a top 8 team all season and now people think we're going to beat adelaide in adelaide, west coast, sydney and gws to make finals. that would be some turn around!

You're a goose. I actually analyse the fixture. I look at the teams we have to come, and I think we will win 2 more games. And why would I expect 100% effort when we haven't given 100% in our games this year aka. the saints game and the pies game. Do yourself a favour and do the ladder predictor and tell me where you have us finishing.

yeah, probably. i mean most of his kicks are pretty easy spot up kicks with not much risk attached. he probably cant kick too much further than 50m. I'd just much prefer to grab a key defender and alleviate the oscar mcdonald effect than to get an outside midfielder. if anyrhing i'd go for aaron hall and would almost prefer him at his money

i like joel smith and i thought he played well against the cats. he is quick, agile, aggressive, versatile and plays to his strengths. i rate him and i'm surprised others dont either.

It's a failed season because i dont think we will make the 8. i also think top 4 should have been a target but thats just me. secondly, its already been reported that lever wont play until mid next season at the earliest.

i would. i dont rate gaff as high as others. he is poor defensively and one paced. he is just an accumulator to me with above average foot skills.

like everyone else is saying, i'm over it. it's a failed year. and salt into the wound is having no decent draft picks either due to lever who is out until late into next season.

not sure how many times it needs to be said but gaffs defensive game is a weakness, not a strength. i'd much prefer steven may. the peace of having oscar mcdonald either at casey or on the 2nd best tall would add years to my life

not making the finals guys. ever since we lost to port and stkilda i didnt think we were a chance. and im usually right with these things

im over it. this is our finals charge. and we should have been a top 4 team this year. not 8-12th

its easy to defend im today's afl mate. theres 40 players in the 50m arcand plenty of help. holding hawkins goalless was more due to the game. i dont recall omac winning a lot of 1 on 1s in that game. 7 goals in today's game is probably equivalent to 10 goals about 10 years ago. id much prefer joel smith or frost. joel smith played really well yday. p.s. i don't care how big omac gets, he'll always be slow in the body and slow in the mind

at some point you have to accept responsibility. if he kicks 14 goals, is that all the midfield? i'd prefer smith or frost every day of the week

petracca has such a low footy iq..how do u decide to kick it long with the game in the balance...cost us the game

with all due respect, we are clearly talking in football terms here. this loss is tragic, in a football sense. yes, there are things that put things in perspective. reality is, you've got fans that seem happy with effort and progress (i refer to them as the goodwins) and then you have fans that are just so sick and tired of being an average team. so tired of losing and never playing finals. So tired of the cliche 'come out next week with real determination' etc. i'm sick of copping stick from friends, colleagues and even family for years on end for following a below average team. All of this for a lot longer then most of the players would even understand, except for nathan jones. At the end of the day, a likely 9-11 finish would deem us as a below average footy team.

agreed. it baffles me how players in this day and age dont understand how to manage the clock. to be honest, i come from a basketball background and anyone who understands that game knows that it is a sport that goes down to the split second. where players foul in an effort to stop the clock or even foul to deliberately send the other team to the free throw line in an attempt to get another offensive play. then you watch our game and you have a guy like garlett not getting the ball out of bounds and using his brain. what an idiot!

far too soon to look to next week. stilk grieving over the loss and likely loss of a finals spot.

this is NOT a group that is supposed to be livid about missing finals last year. Thats 16 premiership points we've pi$$ed against the wall. we're only as good as our bottom 3 players nd geez omac, tyson and Kennedy Harris were poor. Hogan needs to just start being strong and stop falling over at any gust of wind and petracca and garlett need to know about football iq

bloody angry. i hate looking at the ladder we should be well entrenched in the top 4 but instead have lost 4 games by under a goal. im including the port game in that. the players need to understand momentum a lot more. chip the bloody footy around for 10 mins for all i care. just do whatever it bloody takes. i wanna play finals one day!!! fu#k im furious!!! I dont give a stuff about the rest of this season anymore. the port and stkilda losses was more than i could handle.

This loss as well as the Port loss are reasons why we won't make finals. You just need to win them. Understand momentum. Take the sting out of the game well before the last 5 minutes. Do it at 8-9 minutes left. Understand momentum players, bloody frustrating.

Same. That was really costly.

might as well lost by 50. makes no difference. We need to just f##king win and get the job done. That's 12 premiership points we've [censored] against the wall.