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i'd love preuss. i say we just pay overs for him because we are white desperate for a back up ruckman. preuss is better than goldstein in my opinon

good work Bernie. Was our best player in 2015! elite player at his best.

80% of people on this thread wanted to keep jack watts. And like I said that was embarassing. I would've got rid of him 5 years earlier. He was clearly never going to make it. We probably wouldve made finals sooner without him. Port will delist him at the end of next season. Some people are so blinded by their deep support that they don't have it in them to talk about a players flaws.

exactly. cerra had a fantastic debut season and will be a gun.

Thanks!!! i found you! ok i'll change my avatar. so whats the relevance of neeld?

2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder? lol. that ain't happening dude. I'd take cerra and their first rounder and be happy with it too.

Anyone that wanted Watts to stay really should have no say in this thread. Period. That was just embarrassing and really showed a lack of understanding on footy and what it takes to be a good player.

i'd go Gawn, oliver, lever, mcdonald, brayshaw, viney, petracca, fritsch then Hogan. i'm not even baiting i honestly just am not a hogan fan and would be more annoyed at losing even fritsch then hogan.

This is a silly comparison. Everyone loves Oliver and his consistency, drive, workmate etc. Hogan is a very polarising player because he severely lacks in the areas that Oliver excels in. It's like you're one of those supporters that thinks all of our players are AA. Hogan needs to seriously lift in order to help our team, otherwise I'm happy to go with Mcdonald and Weideman and play with spirit and all of the other intangibles.

This thread proves that many dees fans can't stand Hogans lack of defensive pressure and intensity. I'd throw in goal kicking too. but that's a story for another day. As supporters we all want us to win, so there is no agenda for not liking Hogan. So its purely his output on the field that isn't good enough in many supporters' eyes. And that's fact.

lol nah jason taylor and josh mahoney know what they are doing. It's funny how everyone thought we got ripped off by only getting pick 31 for watts. Looking back, Port adelaide got ripped off and we got pick 31 (Fritsch)

oh. my bad! i feel like everyone is against my point of view but at the end of the day I didn't start this thread and there are clearly many people that are a bit over the hogan fanfare.

Are you even looking at those team. Gold coast twice, dogs, free, stkilda twice, carlton..? wow. I could kick a bag against some of those teams. Do it when it counts. Hogan turns to water when things get tough because he is mentally weak and thats why he has failed time and time again against the good teams. I have no personal reason to not like Hogan. I like a stack of melbourne players but one thing i can't stand is slackness and lack of work rate.

Just putting up an argument to fit your point. Melbourne had some great wins last year without Hogan also. It's not just this year. Hogan's 1 on 1 contested work isn't anywhere near where it used to be. He falls to the ground too easily, plays for frees far too much and wrestles with players he doesn't need to. Mentioning Viney alongside Hogan is embarrassing. Viney gives 100% each week. Hogan fluffs around acting tough and whining and staging. Sure he kicks enough goals, due to our high inside 50s, but I'm sorry sometimes goals alone aren't enough. You need defensive pressure in this day and age. Just look at buddy franklin and the way he chases out of D50. or Josh kennedy. Hogan is often still whingeing when the ball is in his area and that's a disgrace. I don't give too much credence to people's knowledge of footy on this board. I wanted to get rid of Watts 5 years ago and predicted that he wouldn't play well and that our pick 31 would be a better player. People like you probably wanted him to stay. I was the one wanting Frost and Harmes in the team from day dot. I was the first one to question Petracca's kicking when everyone else was still star struck by his draft position. I've got so many runs on the board. And yes, I would prefer to have guys like Hannan, Harmes, Fritsch etc. than anyone who doesn't give 100%. One thing I got wrong is that I thought we would miss finals. The only thing i'm happy to be wrong about!

Couldn't find it on the last 2 pages but all i know is that he has kicked 4 or 5 goals from 5 games against top 8 teams. So I don't care what analysis is provided. The reason richmond are the best team is because they have 22 guys cracking in. Hogan doesn't.

I think you're missing the point and all people that mention he kicks 50 goals etc. are only mentioning half of the picture. Hogan's defensive pressure, 2nd efforts etc. can be disgraceful at times and his poor attitude on field can be a culture killer. Also, his kicking for goal lets us down quite a bit against the good teams. Ultimately, people can't deny that Melbourne has played with real spirit the last 2 weeks without Hogan. Losing Lever was a loss, losing Hogan wasn't a loss and was actually a gain and I called it early. You can't place a value on attitude, intensity and effort and hogan needs to really lift.

i love his athleticism. just needs to get his kicking more consistent but his form is another reason that i wanted hogan out of the team. i want hungry, desperate players and thelast 2 weeks shows the culture of all 22 applying defensive pressure.

losing hogan is no loss. probably play with real spirit now without having the staging sook inside 50m

if we do keep him i think we need to see him as just the player he is. a good average player.

lol comparing hogan to neitz. neitz was all heart. and 5 times the player

you'd trade oliver before hogan? crazy!! oliver is a best and fairest winner, likely AA this year, and maybe top 5 in the brownlow medal. And unlike hogan he tries his guts out each week. you're one of the guys that probably wanted to keep watts. Hogan is a defensive liability And his kicking is awful. when hogan misses games melbourne often plays better. i'd be more than willing to trade hogan for the right price.

is he fast? no is he a good kick? no does he apply defensive pressure? no is he a good mark? he's ok but wrestles too much. i would be all up for trading him. for those that say he is a good field kick are deluded. his ball drop is hard to watch.

i wouldve traded him earlier. poor attitude and i dont care what his set shot stats are, he is a terrible kick.

disagree. He definitely didn't mean to punch him in the face. Those swinging right hands are usually targeted into the chest/top of the jumper region but gaff missed. Gaff certainly didn't look at him and punch him in the face. not sure what vision you were watching.

agree on may. would make me sleep so well at night.