Engorged Onion

System? As in on field football system? Or off field dynamics? As far as has been reported - the players checked out... (correct me if I am wrong) Not that it matters from a point of objectivity - but I was there at Kardinia...detached, confused, pondering whether the club would survive....and here we are, just like 'Ween' sang... push the little daisies and make 'em come up.

Welcome to the forum

FFS Well, this thread has descended into something I am not surprised has happened. It's ok to have different opinions and not like someone's opinion. It's ok to not like someone's opinion and not have to post about it to try to convince them to see things your way It's ok to not like someone's opinion about your opinion, perhaps just put them on ignore. If someone gets upset at how you responded, perhaps reach out to them and be conciliatory - or just put them on ignore (you can still think they are a [censored]... just do it privately).

After slagging off some Chris Cornell fans last night 😘 @Superunknown et.al, I had come across some music this morning that got me energised for the game. Now there is no direct link to winning or The Demons in the lyrics of this song, but just a song that I like. Here it is. Found That Soul It reminds me of a game I used to play with mates drinking, called 'YouTube Roulette' about 15 years ago - whereby you start with a song and artist - and then the next song must have a word from the previous title/artist. ie: Pink Floyd - Shine On You Crazy Diamond then Neil Diamond - Sweet Caroline perhaps then you might go to U2's Sweetest Thing. Anyway I look forward to hearing some peoples eclectic tastes of whatever music they like between now and Friday.

Love your optimism @Watson11 - however did you watch last nights game? 😵🤨

mmmmm, "timely discovery" uh-huh.

That's two bloody good points

Hell hath no fury like a fan of a band, who hears that someone else has no interest in that band.

Hey... soundgarden fan boys... take it elsewhere - it's dull, and I've come here to [censored] about Geelong...not have a love fest about some mediocre bands that were seminal in your youth 🤣

Nice post. Will you now be Sparlie Chargo? or maintain the Tom?

I'm not sure why Damien (or anyone's) opinion matters to you, and I can see that it does. Here are some reasons as to maybe why he hasn't given credit where credit is due in the IF...THEN... column Maybe he falls into the 'I still don't trust them' camp. It's not the right forum to be putting that opinion forward We became minor premiers essentially at the last kick of the season - a week earlier we could have dropped to 5th. Perhaps he really [censored] hates us for some obscure childhood reason, and only he knows that, but because of that, he gets to shape how people feel about how he feels about Melbourne because he has agency to write words about a sport that he gets paid to write about.

Will you be satisfied with the Season of 2021 even if we lose the Preliminary Final

Holy Moses! Is there an expectation that journalists have to love Melbourne - like we do? This is a bite size consumable on a Friday morning on the AFL website, to ensure that there is something digestible for those who like to get their information opinion in a brief format. If you don't like the breezy-ness of it and prefer a more thorough forensic examination, there are plenty of other options.

Let me ramble a bit more... 25 degree Thursday arvo Beers at a relatively strong %. The hilariousness of top draft picks being 18yo's old changing a clubs destiny is clearly flawed. An 18yo changing 'culture' (not that is ever termed like that in media) is clearly problematic vs an army of people who are a) older than him and b) more entrenched in an existing culture. But, this is exactly what is implicitly implied in the media. I'm so out of touch with American sports it's not funny - but I guess a lottery feels pretty fair these days for the AFL... The evidence is, there are so many layers to challenging for premierships - and that there is no real formula, its an amalgam of great people who provide a safe spaces for people to explore their growth....whatever that growth looks like. Be it as a player, a coach, an administrator. Also, you can have a great amalgam...and it STILL doesn't guarantee success... be it for the individual or for the club. But that doesn't mean culture is actually poor either... I hope we can sustain finals appearances for the next 4-6 years...and then bottom out, because - we are no longer challenging for a premiership - thus we're not destination, but also our talent dissipates... then rinse and repeat over a decade/decade and a half cycle. These times are rare air for us Melbourne supporters.... sincere thanks to all those that suffered so much pain, or provided the pain, for our club to realise the hopelessness of those strategies.

All true BUT When you're languishing down the bottom of the ladder - you get access to the best talent When you're doing alright, competing for premierships, have players with 'work ethic/kulcha' - you don't have access to that talent.

I keep thinking Viney is 23....

Dunno AVB?? Nah, can't be him.

I have no idea how any process works... is that unreasonable?

The Rebuild of Melbourne's List - Mongrel Punt Article

That's one lense - trading a player against his will. OR Just judging on how the club operates - I'd imagine nothing would happen unless a 'player of his standing' was a willing participant, if not leading the discussion in the first place.

Yep - and hopefully we are the exception to the rule. Our defence allows us to kick at 45% and win (most of the time). That's what is quite amazing.

Traditionally I'd root for the underdog considering we've only been in two grand finals in my lifetime. But, this year, that's flipped on it's [censored] head... We're the anointed ones. So traditionally when we are favourite, I pace furiously around the room expecting us to lose, with an 8% beer in my hand quarter after quarter. My wife wants to know if I'm up for watching the Grand Final (she doesn't really care for Football, but understands its an annual ritual in our society and likes to honour it) ... I don't think I could bare to watch the match with anyone else in the same room - if we get to the Grand Final...

I look forward to TMAC's trade value going up with a premiership medallion. *I have no knowledge of anything. Although currently he is useful structurally, I think he has currency if he is traded out, and feel that he is slightly drifting to the very average TMAC, that we have had for a few years...

can anyone give me a timestamp of Sparrow's bump please?

Yep.. he takes another body, and although marks didn't stick, his mobility causes backline structures to fall down and creates space for Fritsch. He is important to our structure...and his worth to how we play is greater than his possession /goals output.