Engorged Onion

personally I think this is the best worked through response yet...

Can't help myself to be pedantic/forensic on this one - if you're using it for that, you're increasing the problem... far more useful is the notion (and skill) of acceptance. I'm happy to take questions on it - its my field of expertise.

All clubs use it, though some only a small degree, others have a lot larger scope - its all on the individuals in the FD view on the use (and some would suggest that some FD people are very protective of their 'space'), its used via some aflpa psychs, some mindfulness routines are more embedded, such as St Kilda, Melbourne historically through Tami as far as i know...and freo under RL = 0 , - though I would strongly strongly suggest mindfulness itself isn't the panacea to performance, - the rest of the article discussed at length, vulnerability, empathy and connection - the old language would be, you care for your team mates, so you die for your team mates... vulnerability including about non football related things, allows you to stick to task whilst being willing to have discomfort....

Mmmm, id put the context of J Kennedy taking the best forward week in week out, as helpful to those aforementioned stats...vs being in our rabble...Jimmy Magner drilling it down his throat...*cough*

do we know what dates these are, specifically the darwin game?'

I'd rather Ben Lennon...

whilst paying the rego and ongoing on road costs... Anywho - Assuming PJ was transparent about only 1 team wanting Jack - for his sake(if he wants to pursue being a footballer - (as there are plenty who are genetically gifted, but don't/didnt like the lifestyle) - I hope that reality check is useful for him, that he could now potentially be out of AFL land...

ALERT***** ALERT***** ALERT***** fake news from PJ... if it suits your agenda methinks...

very dry...

I'd concur, he came good at Carlton - I'd love Stinga, and he got too injured too frequently to really be consistent unfortunately, (does anyone else remember the time in WA where he side stepped to eagles players (one ready to shirt front) and they collected one another...could have been the same game as a chris lewis bite...but hey I'm sure its not and I'm throwing all my WA memories into one basket...

That's much like me - I hear from some sources Im a bit of a [censored].. but others think Im ok... and yet the FD decided to go for him with all their resources and business acumen... wowsers F.L.O.G was censored... amusing stuff indeed

i just had unrealistic expectations, that much like last years trade period, and fifa on my xbox, we would jettison ALL deadwood and through rorting various systems - we would have landed 5 guns....ps...what ever happened to the jet midfielder from another vic club...hope @Siren can fill us in on said individual....

are you being sarcastic?, FMD - why would you even need to post that?

were richmond supporters this upset when 'lids' left?

$ on Geetown, otherwise he would have called Port by now methinks... waiting for a few dominoes to fall...

Remember C.Waterhouse was also a #1...

Barwon Heads and Ocean Grove respectively, good sir.

Absolutely - all of that - "empathic accountability" - I must have misread that original post of yours, that its the coaches responsibility. Sir Alex etc have all had players on their books, who irrespective of talent id -have been unable to hit perceived potential (i personally think potential is laden with unfair expectations) - and have subsequently been moved on. Jack is that person currently. I feel that the the majority of this thread is all about the point in bold - how have coaches helped Jack to improve - have they done it correctly (whatever that is, a sense of it, or scientifically validated means), and if they haven't (from supporters perspective how would they actually even know) - who's responsibility in the end is it for Jack to improve, the system, or Jack...

Ahhh Schulzy , that is old school thinking at its finest... coaching courses that are AFL endorsed include - SDT (Deci and Ryan) https://www.learning-theories.com/self-determination-theory-deci-and-ryan.html tis not about getting external motivation (e.g.: do you hear any club, ever, discussing how their getting up and more motivated for a players 200/300th?) - all about the intrinsic , and that is the players responsibility, the coach(es) can merely provide the framework. If, this is all about effort levels from Jack - then its up to him in whatever context to produce it to a level that is mutual agreed upon - I would suspect that Goodwin and co have seen enough to acknowledge that Jack cannot do so in the MFC environment, - of course he may do elsewhere..

the bugler, will no doubt have a bugle...

fark me mate, that is a mighty mighty long run up there....got some personal history I presume?

Nice work! Interesting point number 7 - between Neeld and Goodwin...Why would this be the case?, Aside from the media speak - is it because he is also a pretty empathic dude and has other coaches who are that way inclined, yet still make the athletes accountable? Because they're not mutually exclusive?

For me its more about posturing that you have knowledge to affirm a point yet unwilling to corroborate sources, or your own identity. And yes that does betray confidence, but its merely putting out your own truth without validity - so on a forum such as this, its hard for folk to give it credibility. And it feels unfair that you can assert certain things and link it to privilege knowledge - and fall back on, well believe me or not. Reminds me of this cracker of an album...from the year of beating Adelaide in the finals, then them holding aloft the cup..sigh.

@ChewyOnMyBoot whoever you are - do you wish to walk us (the lovers and the haters, and those in between) through it blow by blow - you seem to be teetering on the edge of a lot of knowledge but unwilling to fully divulge...

does op exist anymore? whatever happened to it (serious q)