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All that BS about “Junior” McDonald was BS. His time was over. Move on. Jones is way way way worse than he ever was as a player. In fact he’s now a joke. Get rid of him.

Just now, Diamond_Jim said:

okay... who is our 27-28 year old player who is paid very well that we could move on in such a trade.

Essendon have Hurley for example and I am sure we can go through each of the power clubs and list similar players.

Even our magnificent crop of youngsters...Oliver Brayshaw and Petracca are being questioned. Last years draft does not look like world beaters. May and Lever are well they're May and Lever and one could go on.

2020 is a BIG year.

I didn’t mention a trade.

I wish people would stop calling other clubs power clubs. Why is MFC not a “power” club? We should be but we won’t be as long as this attitude prevails: that MFC is full of weak, gutless loser gentle players and an administration that has no idea and doesn’t have any pride. Where is our home? Where are our facilities? Where is their heart?

12 minutes ago, Robbie57 said:

Thank you both, Jeffy an absolute gem for us and great to watch especially when he got the ball out the back. 

And when he chased down and brought to ground an opponent who wasn’t expecting the tackle!

12 hours ago, stevethemanjordan said:

Lol. 

Explain to me how the AFL [censored] us over? 

Let me know the last time we turned a top draft pick into a genuine star. 

 When we were languishing at the bottom of the ladder the AFL decided to give all the top picks to GWS and the Suns. Now they look like they’ll do it again!

On 8/23/2019 at 10:14 AM, Red and Blue realist said:

While agreeing there seems to be potentially more at play than just injuries, it surely has to be the major factor in what has happened this season. There are a couple of reasons:

- The pre-season surgeries naturally put teams behind, but we also had our shortest pre-season ever. With the majority of the core of the team sitting with between 50-120 games  (Gawn, Viney, Trac, Harmes, Brayshaw, Salem, Oliver, Lever, Weid and with the majority of the fringe players also in the same boat) means they don't have the 'miles in the legs' as some of the teams that have competed regularly in finals. We've seen in the past Geelong, Hawks, Richmond, the Eagles and the dogs have a down year/s when they've gone deep into finals with younger squads, those mentioned (with the exception of the dogs (yet)) have all come back again and been successful.

- Add on the in-season injuries, it was in another thread - and don't quote me on exact figures - but up until the Richmond game we'd lost something like 120 games to our best 22 players, the tigers had lost 90 and the Pies 60. Those teams were used as examples as they were discussed at the time as teams with large injury lists. On top of that the injuries seemed to be very concentrated at one end each week, early in the season we'd be missing 4 or 5 of our best defenders then as the season progressed it transferred to the forward half. Very hard to build anything in season when we've got such deficiencies. 

I'm not saying there aren't other factors but a limited pre-season and in-season injuries are certainly big factors. I'm very happy there'll be limited off-season hold ups and we've got Burgess to hopefully get them super fit. Only then will we be able to reliable assess if some of the issues are (as discussed on the many forums here) - the coach, game plan, the captains, selection, Pert, selling games to the NT etc. 

 

You left out poor recruiting. Why do clubs like Richmond get Tom Lynch for example and we scrape the barrel? We are full of VFL level players at present. Also I hope the players are not run so hard in the off season that they sustain over use injuries such as stress fractures. They need hours of skills training including goal- kicking practice!

Viney has become an overrated spud. Trade him out. Jones has had it. Force him to stand down as captain. Stop listening to Viney’s dad.

There appears to be absolutely no pride in most of these players apart from Gawn, Lewis, Fritsch, Melksham, Viney and Frost. Brayshaw kicked it long straight to opposition players meters in the clear on their own. Has the concussion addled his brain more than we supposed? Jones must retire, he’s utterly lost it.

39 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Yeah and the best contested possession player in the afl, but hey overrated at 22 yo....

Possessions yes, disposals no: eg handballs at the feet of a player, kicks along the ground., goals missed.

6 hours ago, number 27 said:

not sure how many teams have gone from 4th to 17th in one season and then bounced back to finals the following year and, perhaps its the MFCSS but I can't see how we will play finals next year. 

We were fifth at the end of the home and away season not fourth.

Thanks Garry Lyon for your constant non-constructive criticism of the MFC and your role in picking the worst coaches we’ve had this century. Thanks Gerard Healy for leaving us in the late 1980s just when we needed you to help win a premiership. Thanks Roosy for taking the big bucks, leaving when we still needed you and now just sniping at your successor. You all need to take a 360 degree look at yourselves!

21 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Honestly unless your career is on the line why would you be busting your gut? The season is done 

Because you have two more Senior AFL games to develop yourself and the team. Like the Brisbane Lions in the second half of last year. Anyone with any footy nous could see they were going to climb up the ladder this year with their attitude and hard work right to the end of the year.

1 hour ago, Deemania since 56 said:

He (Salem) is a midfielder by the traits he displays yet lacks a little physical strength when tackling bigger bodies. He needs to exploit some run away from the congestion, first, and then appear on a lead to space to receive and continue the forward delivery (which he is very capable of doing - particularly with our two space-finders on the space chase in Fritta and Melksham).

Swinging Brayshaw and Tracca to half-forward could be advantageous, provided we use their movements to the same roaming effect that the Filth uses with Sidebottom, for example. He moves well from the flanking edge of the centre square to half forward on a deliberate lead - and back again depending on the flow - and seldom is he tagged across these distances. It also provides him with some variable 'square' proximity to the goalmouth on forward 50 entries - again, largely unmanned. The MFC younger fellas found this out last game, and found it too hard to stick with him, as well. It appears to be a very reliable and consistent goal producing routine, actually. 

Except that our guys miss the goals more times than they kick them.

10 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Nick Reiwoldt scathing on both Lever and May.

https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2019-nick-riewoldt-garry-lyon-unpack-issues-at-melbourne/news-story/c4d626fff76702fe3ad9cb27ffc7ad87?__twitter_impression=true

Garry Lyon has become a Dees hater. Perhaps Olisik is his name on Demonland. His comments are equally helpful.

21 hours ago, Kent said:

The coach works for the board

So they hear the same claptrap from the coach that we do.

And they put up with it seemingly.

Goodys end will come quickly and without notice in my opinion.

It doesn’t really work like that. The Board is quite removed from the coaching panel. They don’t drive the coaching moves. They drive the general direction of the club and manage the finances, etc.  Yes they could sack him like a board once sacked Norm Smith. I doubt they’ll sack him any time soon given that they’ll have to pay out his contract. Sacking coaches doesn’t always lead to good outcomes.

7 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

I agree with all of the arguments about early picks etc not being the answer but I would still like to see the club throw out a curve ball by applying for a priority pick on the basis of our mediocre performance this year. After all, even Garry Lyon thinks we’re cr@p and we’ve played in the finals once in 13 years. 

Oops, sorry. We’re nice guys. We don’t rock boats, we sink in them.

Garry Lyon bags MFC constantly in public without making any suggestions as to how to fix the problems. He was part of the problem a few years ago when he participated in coach selection. 

On 8/8/2019 at 2:31 PM, Sir Why You Little said:

Early draft picks are wasted up there, as is Tony Cochrane. 

He ruined V8 Supercars and is doing another superb job 

They’re wasted at MFC too.

4 hours ago, jumbo returns said:

Good points

Poor JKH is probably suffering from performance anxiety and trying to belong

I thought he was okay yesterday and I hope he becomes a regular on the wing

Sadly, it will come down to delisting one of JKH, Billy or ANB

Hopefully at least the first two.

2 hours ago, Kent said:

I also engaged with Pies supporters as there were few demons supporters around me.

I must say I enjoyed their analysis.

The problems with our game are easy to see.I almost can't watch at the moment so predictable are the poor set ups inevitable turnovers and missed kick tackles handball and goals.

The problems have been easy to see the coaching staff either can't or won't address them.

How our board are putting up with this is beyond me. Maybe they believe that the team metrics are trending in the right direction.

 If they are prepared to accept that claptrap then anything is possible.Please for the love of God  end this torture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The board doesn’t coach the team.

1 minute ago, trout said:

Pert on 3AW before the game said if we had been in finals contention ( like Richmond and Collingwood ) you could have expected about 80,000 last week and this week. Costing us about $400,000 over the two weeks, pressure will mount on Goodwin internally very quickly if this crap continues.

Not so. Many of those supporters would have been MCC members.

2 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Rubbish game. Scoreboard flattered us as we kicked some junktime goals after not giving a yelp for 2.5 quarters. May injured again. Lever destroyed by Mihochek, he’s no good one on one unfortunately. Those two big trades have set us back big time. 

Looks like another rebuild looms. We need to hit the top end of the draft hard again to get more young talent in. 

Cale Morton, Jimmy Toumpas and Jordan Gysberts??!

2 hours ago, Dame Gaga said:

I've been listening to some Collingwood supporters complaining about injuries to their precious team. I just want to laugh in their faces, but I'm too polite. Sooks.

They’re all absolute d1ckhead$.

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Wilson having a crack at The MFC...

Really? I am genuinely shocked she would do that...

We are 17th with 5 wins (Very easily that number could have been 3)

We deserve whatever...

We also could have easily won several more close games. Did she lose her dentures while she was having her lisping go at us?

9 hours ago, robbiefrom13 said:

Collingwood appear to be physically far stronger than Melbourne, and faster, and unlike us they are playing with confidence - so it's hard to see us getting anywhere near them. 

On the other hand, if Goodwin hasn't lost the players, they - all of them, coaching staff and players - must be highly motivated to prove it and silence the growing rumblings about coach/players "connection".  And Collingwood are presumably at real risk of going into this game overly confident.  Like a team running out for the first time under a new coach, we could surprise the world.  Terribly undermanned, we surprised West Coast a few years ago.  Upsets happen - it's not impossible.  But unless the stories about a breakdown between players and their coaches are wrong, it's not going to happen this week.

So there's the interest - to see if the game departs from the obvious script, even a little bit.  The game itself hardly matters for us, as far as this season is concerned - but the bigger narrative of the state of our club - that does.  We must be getting closer to knowing for sure - so Melbourne supporters may go to the footy focused on a completely different drama to the one Collingwood fans will be there drooling for.  

The Pies have actually looked like they are lacking in confidence since the bye and have lost quite a few games. They’ve dropped down the ladder. We’ll still lose because they have better, faster, more skilled players. 

1 minute ago, chook fowler said:

I very much doubt it.

He was. He missed a goal from 5m out directly in front in one of his earliest games. He looked like an unco giraffe.