Wiseblood

Is he? Who can replace him with? Where do we get the 47 goals from? I look forward to this answer.

You just answered your own question.

Apparently it isn't as important as squeezing in a bloke who has kicked 2 goals in 2 games. (And, for the record, I've loved Weid's output in the last two games.)

Me either. I would have liked him at the club, but if someone like North are offering godfather type money, then we need to step away and either look elsewhere or continue to back in others to improve.

Nothing emotional in it my friend. Just the facts.

If the thread was entitled 'Hogan's best position going forward' then I'd agree. But when the coach shoots down any chance of him being traded then what's the point of discussing it? Should we start a thread on every player and get some discussion going on how we might trade them as well? He was never going to be traded and, unless he wants out, the club will never consider it.

I wouldn't call them emotional outragists, Moonie. I'd just call them posters who see what Jesse brings to the team and how good the 1-2 punch of T Mac and Hogan could be for years and years to come. I'll add that, if he gave the club some indication that he wants to go back home, then I'd expect the club to follow up on a suitable trade to get that done. But if he doesn't then I'd suggest the club would not be looking at doing anything with him other than getting him fit and ready to fire in 2019.

He is our leading goal kicker and we were still the highest scoring side in the comp with him in it. Anyway, I don't know why we're worried about where Hogan plays right now. We should be focused on finals and enjoying that.

Those asking to trade Jesse better not be the ones in the next few years who get stuck in to a player for lack of loyalty if they don't sign a contract. We can't be so blase in just wanting to ship a player off and then cry foul when another doesn't want to sign. It works both ways.

Stuie is an admin of one of these Facebook groups. That should answer any question somebody might have about the level of intelligence going around on Facebook.

Yeah, you're a [censored] Wiseblood.

I always thought 'Petraccattack" was the infamous Yze_Magic, but I could be wrong.

His first half gave us a real glimpse of the player he could be - good hands, very mobile and, while his kicking for goal needs work, we can see that he hit the scoreboard as well. He could be a real handy addition for us with Hogan going down.

Imagine coming back to Victoria... to play for Norf. I guess they had to get someone on the hook with all that money. They've missed on everyone else.

Got get 'em, Sam! I'd love nothing more than to see him kick a few and cement a spot in the side for the rest of the season, however long that may be, with Hogan out. It's time to get behind him and back him in for a good game!

Also, while it's hard to argue that his output is lower against Top 8 sides, our output across the board has been lower against those sides as well. Apart from 5-6 players, everyone is down on their contribution this season when playing those top sides, so it's not as if he's on his own in this. If the midfield isn't giving us much, and the defense is able to get back in numbers, what chance does he have? I know Tom has been a little better in this regard than Jesse, but then he didn't play the Geelong, Richmond or Hawthorn games earlier in the season either, and thus has spent more time playing the bottom 8 sides than the top 8 sides.

That stat changes all the time depending on who is in the 8. He has kicked 4 against the Cats this year and they've spent most of the season inside the eight.

What report is that, Moonie? All I've read is that someone asked Worsfold about him, he played a straight bat with the answer and the Sun ran with a report that they are targeting him. Doesn't seem like a whole lot in it to me.

It's SWYLs birthday, Moonie. OD is 10 years behind him.

Well said Steve. The way in which we use our forward entries is not conducive to someone like Jesse who prefers it on the lead or one out deep in the forward line where he can use his strength. Kicking it to him when there are 6 other blokes around doesn't exactly give him a chance to play to his strengths.

I know mate. It's not one of my best qualities when it comes to how I support the club. I'm too old to change now!

A key forward kicks goals - he has 47 for the year and you would expect he gets 50 by the end. He can take marks - he has taken 125 of these throughout the year which is very high for all key forwards in the comp. He has a great tank, which allows him not just to play deep, but to also play further up the ground. He is also an excellent field kick. I readily admit his kicking for goal still needs work, but this year he has been much, much better, as his 47.23 suggests. We are vastly underrating the bloke and his value to our side.

Where do we draw the line though, Moonie? Does Oliver have a couple of shockers and we start talking trades on him? I just think even considering trading a key forward, who is capable of 50 plus goals a game, when there is no one out there to replace his goals and his output, is a little short sighted. And BA's suggestions might sound good on paper, but they make no sense for us, nor would GWS or GC really entertain those at this point.

For me, there is no chance the Giants trade away either Coniglio or Whitfield. Whitfield I guess is a chance as he is Victorian, but Coniglio is turning into a star. Why would they trade him away? Not only that, with Cameron, Patton and Lobb, they would have no interest in also adding Hogan to the mix. Also, they are in their premiership window and would have next to no interest I would have thought in going back to the draft. Plus, the Suns just lost Tom Lynch. I highly doubt they would be willing to give up another tall as well Bottom line is that there is not much out there. I don't really want picks either, but then I have zero interest in trading a 23 year old key forward who is capable of kicking 50 plus goals a season. I think we are focusing in the wrong places in terms of how we could improve our list, and this is Exhibit A.

Who is this ready made player, who is actually available, that will improve us going forward? Who is going to cover the 50 odd goals that Hogan has kicked for us this year? I look forward to your suggestions. Remember, I'd like to see players who will actually be available and that we need to trade for. Gaff doesn't count because we can get him without trading.