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What about Viney, Grimes, Terlich - all no tackles. Vince, Dunn, Pederson, McDonald, Georgiou 1 tackle each. McKenzie, Evans M Jones, Tyson all less tackles than Watts Watts was equal 4th for tackles. You see what you want to see. So if you want to drop players for not tackling , 14 were worse than Watts.

The premise here is that Watts is not meeting Roos' requirements. He may not be. But it may be an incorrect premise. If Watts is expected to crash packs and slam tackle then clearly he is failing, drop him. I do not think we will ever get that out of him. But I do not think that is what is expected of him. Think Robert Flower. If Watts was asked to be the next Robbie Flower would we be happy with that? Well would we?

I do not think you are serious. Collectively we would like to see him do more. It annoys people when we see someone with immense talent apparently wasting it through lack of effort. We do not have any players on our list to replace Watts at the moment. If we do, drop Watts. I am not for gifting a game to Dan Nicholson to teach a hypothetical lesson to Watts. Edit: I think it was a bad game by Watts, possibly his worst. I would only drop Watts for Salem.

We do not know what Roos has asked him to do. He may have been asked to hit targets. Tick He may have been asked to draw opposition players to him to free up team mates. Tick He may have been asked to hit more targets per match than Vince and Viney. Tick The point is we don't know. What we do know is that he is excellent with the ball. We have no better.

Name names.

I'm hearing you, but who have we got that can do it better than Watts. Edit: Averaging 17.6 disposals at 71.4% efficiency 12.6 eff disposals Bernie Vince 21.8 at 54.4%. 11.8 Jack Viney 19 at 62% 11.7 Cam Pederson 11.4 at 56.4 6.4 Michael Evans 8.3 at 39.3 3.2 Opposition sides cannot leave him alone or he will cut them up.

Who at MFC can do it better?

If it doesn't suit your argument you don't like stats. For me it is effective disposals. Name a player at Casey that can do Jacks role as well, if not he stays.

If you compare him to Reiwoldt at the same age, Watts has more disposals more tackles! Disposal efficiency not measured in Reiwoldts early career. But I agree, IMO he is more like Flower or Greig. I don't think he is physically weak. I think he chooses not to get hurt, that could be considered a weakness or smart.

I have defended Jack Watts since his drafting. This was one of his worst games. 86% effective disposals is excellent however. We compare him to N Reiwoldt and other no 1 picks and I have done that. Try comparing him to Robbie Flower. A lightly built and skillful player that can take a mark and hit a target. or Keith Greig.I think they are more his style. If he turns out as good as them we should all be happy. Edit: If you want to compare him to a forward his stats are better than Tom Hawkins at the same age. http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3107&tid2=10&pid2=1759&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O Still better then N Reiwoldt at the same age. http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3107&tid2=16&pid2=63&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O Nic Nat - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3107&tid2=19&pid2=3108&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O Mathew Kruezer -http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3107&tid2=4&pid2=2301&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O Tom Scully - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3107&tid2=25&pid2=3314&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O Jonothan Patton -http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3107&tid2=25&pid2=3639&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O Bryce Gibbs - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3107&tid2=4&pid2=1719&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O - Gibbs more disposals less effective. Jarryd Roughead - http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3107&tid2=11&pid2=1485&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O Actually he's tracking quite well.

That's self flagellation, and I should know.

Richmond or Calton obviously.

Comparison between Dom Tyson and Josh Kelly. This season http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3641&tid2=25&pid2=3919&type=A&fid1=S&fid2=S At the same age http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?tid1=12&pid1=3641&tid2=25&pid2=3919&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O Don't journalists have access to facts? Oh that's right they just make stuff up. Edit- Spelling plus more stats

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Blame myself. Check first, shoot later.

2012 Nic Nat 200 less hit outs than Sam Jacobs 98 less disposals & 88 less hit outs than Dean Cox 8th for hitouts 6th best for disposals of the top 20 ruckmen 5th best for fantasy points of the top 20 ruckmen equal 10th best effective disposal % of the top 20 ruckmen equal 11th best cont mark average of top 20 ruckmen 6th best tackles average of top 20 ruckmen equal 2nd best goals average of top 20 ruckmen equal 3rd best goal assists of top 20 ruckmen Edit:- I suppose this proves I don't have a life.

You must think I don't have a life.

Egg on face! me? All that work to prove I am a dill. Edit:-I was responding to rpfc who stated it was last year. I should have checked. I thought Will Minsons stats looked good. Edit 2 spelling.

Never is a very long time. He may turn up somewhere sometime, Fitzroy may be interested.

AA ruckman! was not even the best ruckman at WCE. 2013 Nic nat 20th for hit outs. 571 less hit outs than Will Minson 222 less disposals & 320 less hit outs than Dean Cox He had less hit outs than Jamar 12th best for disposals of the top 20 ruckmen 10th best for fantasy points of the top 20 ruckmen 12th best effective disposal % 6th best cont mark average of top 20 ruckmen 5th best tackles average of top 20 ruckmen 4th best goals average of top 20 ruckmen 13th best goal assists of top 20 ruckmen This is comparing him to ruckmen, he is worse compared to KPP or other onballers. Unbelievably overrated.

We better believe him then, that would be final, as final as Roos.

said to be - who said? suggestions of - who suggested? name mentioned - by whom - the postie? souces reveal - what sources - that postie again? Edit: Removal of name. Don't want to cross lines.

Damian Barrett, pick a number any number 1-10 No one can deny it so any number will do. He can argue the MFC have refined the number if his guess was wrong. By the time it happens most people have forgotten his scoop. Muck and myth peddler. This type of journalism is pathetic. Lets make up a story. Lipflap said to be on third and final warning, suggestions of workplace harassment. Lipflap's name mentioned in connection to pedophilia ring. Sources reveal that Lipflap in talks with underworld identity. ATO investigation into tax evasion, journalist names mentioned. We expect Lipflap to deny any wrongdoing. Charges pending How easy is it to make stuff up. Edit:- Name changed to Lipflap to protect the writer.

I switched off when you quoted Damian Barrett.

Both better than Nic Nat but he is a million dollar man! 6 disposals 6 hitouts 66% eff disp. 1 mark 0 tackles.