KingDingAling

They kind of had to go for a flag. Their best players are Gray, Boak and Ryder. Not only do they owe it to those guys to give them a shot at a flag, but there is no guarantee in the future that they will be this close to a flag.

Geeez that is a good deal for Carlton. Gibbs has played 231 games. In all likelihood he only plays another 70 or 80, and that is if he gets a good run with injury. Smart trading by Carlton, they were patient, and they didn't rush into a bad deal. Good on them. They obviously have people in charge who know what they are doing.

I would give 46 for Balic. It isn't ideal but in all likelihood Balic ends up a better player than the average player available at 46. I would use our pick 36 for Fritsch. I would also try and package our pick 28 up with Jack Watts for Geelongs pick 19.

I reckon we will use 27 or 35 to take Fritsch. Based on what I have seen he is worth either of those picks. It will just be a matter of where we believed he will be picked, and are other sides interested in him. I suspect teams will be interested in him but not speaking to him - and will just take him. I wouldn't be against us using 27 on Fritsch, but believe its more likely he probably goes at 35

Ha. great reply. Well done bud. Top notch!

MFC speaks a good game but just can't negotiate. Lever did all the leg work, and put us in a strong position at the trade table. We just gave away a future first round pick we didn't need to. MFC once again pulling the trigger early. Amateurs.

Instead of the Charlie Cameron pick we need to be asking Adelaide for their 2018 first round pick. They probably won't make top 4, and in fact could drop out of the top 6. It would be good if a club didn't bend us over at the trade table for once.

You want to throw Dustbin under the bus? You not satisfied with the previous hatchet job the media did on the poor kid? Anyway, it wasn't Martin. Judging by the responses on big footy to the latest incident the player wasn't a star player (even though he has been referred to as one in the media).

I didn't see any tattoos on her - just a premiership medal.

If they want our 2017 & 18 first round picks, fine. But we want their 2018 first round pick included in the Lever deal. Out: 2017 FIRST & SECOND PICK, 2018 FIRST ROUND PICK. In: LEVER & ADELAIDE 2018 FIRST ROUND PICK.

Different players. Kennedy may have made it had we not had Viney and Oliver come on as well as they have. Early last year Kennedy was actually up to AFL level, and was playing good football. Balic is a different player to Kennedy. Balic has more tools, and has a frame more suited to AFL football (IMO). He will need to hone his strengths though, because he isn't going to find the ball as much as someone like Kennedy, so when Balic does get the ball he is going to need to do something with it. I wanted us to draft Balic the year Freo took him. I thought they got a steal, so I'd be happy to land him.

I think he will be a starter. He has a bit more class than many on the fringe. He was a good ball user as a junior. We need good ball users. I actually think Balic will be a steal. He is very capable. He has class and moves well. Providing he completes a pre-season I expect he will play over 15 games next year.

Balic can play. He will be a starter.

If players are disgruntled then good. I hope they are. I hope our precious players are made to feel really uncomfortable. They are going to have to start getting uncomfortable if they want to win a flag. They are going to have to fight for everything they have. I like that. I am no Goodwin fan, but if he is starting to p*ss off our playing list then he has my full support.

I have always liked: IN - Jake Lever AND Adelaide 2018 first round pick. OUT: Melbourne 2017 first AND second round pick, and 2018 first round pick. I have seen this mentioned before, and on big footy a month or so back. I read something in draft and trading the other day about proposing this to Adelaide if they wanted to get nasty. That way both clubs could put up their 2018 first round pick and bet on having a good year. This is the trade I would make in a heart beat. It would say to Adelaide "Look, if you don't like our 2017 first and second round pick, then we will exchange your 2018 first round picks". It is a big FU to a club that thinks they are being hard nosed. It is saying to them "right, if you think you are all that then put your money where your mouth is". We may be able to bluff them into giving up Lever, and their 2018 first round pick. Considering we didn't even make the finals this year, and Adelaide made the top 4 - they SHOULD back themselves in with that deal. Hopefully if made they dropped out of the 8 in 2018 and we made the top 4 (which we will).

I think most clubs in the league would give up 2 top 5 selections for Oliver.

Ok, so I assume that is our starting point, and that is their starting point. Our firm position is that we will not give away two first round selections - and their desire is two first round selections. If Adelaide want to back themselves in, I think we could do (and I seen this on big footy - but thought it was a good deal for both parties) Melbourne IN: Lever and Adelaide 2018 first round pick. Melbourne OUT: 2017 first and second round pick, and 2018 first round pick. Adelaide IN: Melbourne 2017 first and second round pick, and 2018 first round pick. Adelaide OUT: Lever and 2018 first round pick. What are your thoughts on that?

If I were Kelly and heard Lever was coming to MFC, I would take unders to come here. If Kelly and Lever were to come to the club - we would be a dynasty side.

If Petracca has a break out season there may be a bidding way for him.

I would do our 2017 first and second round pick, and a swap of first round picks in 2018.

I wonder if this kid will even make it through to our second pick. He does look the goods, and he wouldn't have went unnoticed among other clubs this year.

Kelly and Lever and we have a dream team. Even landing one of them would be great. I can't see why either of them wouldn't want to play at MFC. We have one of the best young lists in the league. If Kelly chooses North over Melbourne then I'd question whether he was the full quid.

I think Oliver will poll very well. I think he could even be a danger to Martin.

Lever is tremendous. What a talent. At 194cm's he has a great leap. I have zero concerns about his height. I never actually thought Lever would be up for grabs - but he hasn't re-signed. Maybe he is up for grabs. He did seem adamant mid year that he was just waiting for the CBA to be announced, and then signing sounded as if it was a mere formality. But, he still hasn't signed. So assuming he is on the market he would be a good get. The 194 cm's I don't think is a concern, if anything it is a positive, because Lever could play stints in the midfield. We haven't seen that yet from him at the Crows, but that is what he is capable of.

His skills are overrated. I have always thought Lewis is more of an accumulator. Not a very effective player though. But I tell you what, he was tough at Hawthorn, I give him that much, he was actually a tough guy, he went in hard, and he was a ballsy player. At Melbourne he is not very tough. He is more of a squib. Anytime that ball hits the deck he doesn't want it, he panics and he fumbles. I think he has mentally checked out.