There was an incident in the first quarter which summed up our foward line woes for the year.

We kicked it to Neitz right in front of goal where he had a body on body marking contest. He got hands on it, but could not quite reel it in and Carlton cleared it out of their defensive zone.

A few moments later, the ball gets kicked to Fevola in a similar marking contest, he manages to control the ball for a mark and goal.

That only needs to happen 4 or 5 times in a game, and there is a decent winning margin.

On top of other problems we have with effeciency of ball use, pressure, clearances, tall defenders, etc...when we do kick it down there we rarely have anyone who is able to win a 50/50 contest, and crumbers are seldom seen if the ball does get spilt to ground level anyway.

There was an incident in the first quarter which summed up our foward line woes for the year.

We kicked it to Neitz right in front of goal where he had a body on body marking contest. He got hands on it, but could not quite reel it in and Carlton cleared it out of their defensive zone.

A few moments later, the ball gets kicked to Fevola in a similar marking contest, he manages to control the ball for a mark and goal.

That only needs to happen 4 or 5 times in a game, and there is a decent winning margin.

On top of other problems we have with effeciency of ball use, pressure, clearances, tall defenders, etc...when we do kick it down there we rarely have anyone who is able to win a 50/50 contest, and crumbers are seldom seen if the ball does get spilt to ground level anyway.

That was the time that Neita was grabbed over the shoulder. He was impeded. The umpiring was cr@p today.

A Handpass to mid air..is stil la fn'n handpass. .a kick to the grounf 5 mtrs in fornt of the player..is still a kick. ... but they are useless.

Im not using guesswork..just using my bloody eyes.. which tells more more than all uselss bloody stats in the world!!

And the very best teams still commit these atrocities you refer to, just less of them.

And if stats are so meaningless why are coaches so consumed by them ? The football you watch today has been governed by stats and a need to create advantages. Stats aren't the be all and end all, but they paint a picture and dictate the future.

And forgive me if an old man's eyes don't interest me.

And the very best teams still commit these atrocities you refer to, just less of them.

And if stats are so meaningless why are coaches so consumed by them ? The football you watch today has been governed by stats and a need to create advantages. Stats aren't the be all and end all, but they paint a picture and dictate the future.

And forgive me if an old man's eyes don't interest me.

again.. just so you quite understand.. stats without qualifciation are useless... Maybe Coaches ought to be less concerned about them and more about basics.

You know the old adage.. Lies ..damn Lies...and Statistics !!

So what do you statistics tell us about our play.. about our woeful decision making.. and poor distance perception..or even the ability to stand on ones feet ??

Quite simply..the very best teams dont play like us....or are you saying were only 10% ( or what god knows what ) shy of being a Geelong ??

Ya better get on the blower to Dean and lett him know to stop by Safeway on the way home and pick up another 10%...all's fixed then !!

again.. just so you quite understand.. stats without qualifciation are useless... Maybe Coaches ought to be less concerned about them and more about basics.

You know the old adage.. Lies ..damn Lies...and Statistics !!

So what do you statistics tell us about our play.. about our woeful decision making.. and poor distance perception..or even the ability to stand on ones feet ??

Quite simply..the very best teams dont play like us....or are you saying were only 10% ( or what god knows what ) shy of being a Geelong ??

Ya better get on the blower to Dean and lett him know to stop by Safeway on the way home and pick up another 10%...all's fixed then !!

Well said, even for an old man...

again.. just so you quite understand.. stats without qualifciation are useless... Maybe Coaches ought to be less concerned about them and more about basics.

You know the old adage.. Lies ..damn Lies...and Statistics !!

So what do you statistics tell us about our play.. about our woeful decision making.. and poor distance perception..or even the ability to stand on ones feet ??

Quite simply..the very best teams dont play like us....or are you saying were only 10% ( or what god knows what ) shy of being a Geelong ??

Ya better get on the blower to Dean and lett him know to stop by Safeway on the way home and pick up another 10%...all's fixed then !!

I feel like I'm arguing with a homeless person.

My stats are qualified you old fart. There's about 10% in any given year between the best and worst teams covering all their key performance indicators. Do your own [censored] research you [censored]. It's all on the Net.

I feel like I'm arguing with a homeless person.

My stats are qualified you old fart. There's about 10% in any given year between the best and worst teams covering all their key performance indicators. Do your own [censored] research you [censored]. It's all on the Net.

testy testy...

dont you like it if someone just doesnt take something at face value

Youve qualified your stats ..How exactly?? which stats..??

you have served up absolutely nothing.

testy testy...

dont you like it if someone just doesnt take something at face value

Youve qualified your stats ..How exactly?? which stats..??

you have served up absolutely nothing.

I'm actually in a good mood, but I may have a way about me

But do you're own research. I'm not your maid.

""""????!!!! your style is the pits

research?

your premise is its all in the stats !! you NEED to justify it.

Im saying they are at very best a minor tool , and they are to be used with care. Be guided by them too much and you end up with rubbish. I have no purpose in justifying stats as I consider them often false truths.