58 minutes ago, Hogan2014 said:

The premiership clocks we had 87-91 , 94, 98-2006 we lacked the polish vs the premiership sides, though 94 I’d say our spine was the strongest with Lyon, Schwartz , Neitz , Stynes, Jackovich, Tingay , Lovell , but in 95 we were decimated with injuries  & many never returned Bottom line in the last 30 yrs club hasn’t been able to sustain success long enough & improve the list enough in those premiership clocks, 2019 is just another example!
 

 

Good post,  'H2014'.

I sense and have had the thought for some years, and because of our perennial low ladder positions of yesteryear, and a dash of Mfcss... that when we get to having a strong list,  is that we all over-estimate our list of that time,  and we ease off the further building,  looking to go all in...  and that we look to top-up players to fill a niche.

I think the overestimation comes from us swinging from Mfcss,  straight over to Cockiness.  A coolish arrogance.

 

Lets try,  when we think the list is good enough,  think again instead,  that when we think it IS,  then we need more talent.

1 hour ago, Hogan2014 said:

The premiership clocks we had 87-91 , 94, 98-2006 we lacked the polish vs the premiership sides, though 94 I’d say our spine was the strongest with Lyon, Schwartz , Neitz , Stynes, Jackovich, Tingay , Lovell , but in 95 we were decimated with injuries  & many never returned Bottom line in the last 30 yrs club hasn’t been able to sustain success long enough & improve the list enough in those premiership clocks, 2019 is just another example!
 

 

I reckon we missed our real chances in 90 and 98. Both premierships were won by teams that played well at the right time, and teams that were not really any better than the others in the finals - unlike the teams we run into in 88 and 00, which were powerhouses.

98 we missed our chance with really poor kicking for goal in the prelim final against north - who were the best team that year, and in 90 we were the best team for the first half of the year, but then had the typical MFC slump and had to win the last game to make the finals (finishing fourth on the same number of wins as the teams above us). We were probably still a chance  to go all the way before taking west coast too easy (IMO) in the first semi. 

10 minutes ago, spalding said:

I reckon we missed our real chances in 90 and 98. Both premierships were won by teams that played well at the right time, and teams that were not really any better than the others in the finals - unlike the teams we run into in 88 and 00, which were powerhouses.

98 we missed our chance with really poor kicking for goal in the prelim final against north - who were the best team that year, and in 90 we were the best team for the first half of the year, but then had the typical MFC slump and had to win the last game to make the finals (finishing fourth on the same number of wins as the teams above us). We were probably still a chance  to go all the way before taking west coast too easy (IMO) in the first semi. 

In truth the club was back in power in footy,  from end of Barassi's reign,  right through till the end of Daniher's time.

 

There were plenty of opportunities,  and the club wasn't quite good enough in itself.  It's not players who win premierships.  It's 'Clubs',  that win them.  Everyone within the club has an impact on the teams outcomes.

We have never really got the club back to that position again,  it was at its best from 1985 through til maybe 1995.  And the slip had started, IMO.  Slowly slowly declining.   Until we hit the mid noughties, and the list was stuffed.

Edited April 17, 20205 yr by MyFavouriteMartian

17 hours ago, spalding said:

in 90 we were the best team for the first half of the year, but then had the typical MFC slump and had to win the last game to make the finals (finishing fourth on the same number of wins as the teams above us)

I actually think we sealed a finals birth the week before against Richmond at Waverley.

We played Hawthorn in the final round of 1990 and we were playing for second spot on the proviso that West Coast lost to Geelong at Kardina Park and Collingwood lost to North at Waverley. Alas West Coast came from behind to beat Geelong while the Pies won by about 90 points.

I wonder how the 1990 finals series would have gone had Geelong held on against West Coast in round 22 and we subsequently finished third and played Collingwood at Waverley and got the double chance?

It should be noted thought that we conceded 31 goals to North and lost to a pathetic Sydney (5-17) that year, and great sides wouldn’t have allowed that.