Demonland Fact-Check

[Lord Nev 13,512]

 

1 hour ago, Skuit said:

Contention: Burgess doesn't believe in resting players. 

There's a pretty solid belief on here that Burgess doesn't believe in resting players, and that we continue to take that as a mantra. I recall something about building resilience by fighting through niggles, but is that in-season or post-season? I think it came from that chat with Bruckner. Can anyone clarify what Burg's genuine stance is? 

Just my opinion based on general observations, so maybe not a 'fact-check' as such... but..

Seems to me Burgo believes in tapering and in scheduling training loads around when peak fitness is most needed, but 'resting' players is definitely another story if you judge it by our injury management under Burgo compared to Misson. Way more conservative under Misson and from the outside it seem like niggles or soreness that would have seen you left out under Misson were expected to be played through under Burgess.

The pod was definitely a big insight:

"My biggest thing was to try and implement some physical resilience in the playing group," Burgess said.

"There's two ways to go about injury prevention, I think. 

"If someone has niggles you give them a rest so they complete as many sessions as possible, cut the sessions short if someone's a bit sore, or you can build them up and push them through those periods where they're a little sore, a little bit tender and a little bit fatigued … to provide them with that robustness to get through."

Burgess said he used to subscribe to the former theory before evolving to the latter in recent years.

Fitness guru reveals secret to Dees' incredible injury-free run

And when you go through comments from Port previously and now Adelaide, the word 'resilience' comes up amazingly often.

Recent comment from Cornes about what Adelaide might expect:

“The usual little excuse of a tight hamstring or a twinge in the calf or something sore is probably not going to cut it at Adelaide."

Why the Crows are in for a “big wake-up call” this off-season

 

Edited May 15, 2022 by Lord Nev

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Just now, Lord Nev said:

 

Just my opinion based on general observations, so maybe not a 'fact-check' as such... but..

Seems to me Burgo believes in tapering and in scheduling training loads around when peak fitness is most needed, but 'resting' players is definitely another story if you judge it by our injury management under Burgo compared to Misson. Way more conservative under Misson and from the outside it seem like niggles or soreness that would have seen you left out under Misson were expected to be played through under Burgess.

The pod was definitely a big insight:

"My biggest thing was to try and implement some physical resilience in the playing group," Burgess said.

"There's two ways to go about injury prevention, I think. 

"If someone has niggles you give them a rest so they complete as many sessions as possible, cut the sessions short if someone's a bit sore, or you can build them up and push them through those periods where they're a little sore, a little bit tender and a little bit fatigued … to provide them with that robustness to get through."

Burgess said he used to subscribe to the former theory before evolving to the latter in recent years.

Fitness guru reveals secret to Dees' incredible injury-free run

And when you go through comments from Port previously and now Adelaide, the word 'resilience' comes up amazingly often.

Recent comment from Cornes about what Adelaide might expect:

“The usual little excuse of a tight hamstring or a twinge in the calf or something sore is probably not going to cut it at Adelaide."

Why the Crows are in for a “big wake-up call” this off-season

 

Cheers Nev. I appreciate your contribution. But does any of that suggest Burg has a firm no against resting players in-season, which is constantly being stated on here? Pushing through niggles to build resilience is different to managing players, right? 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

1 minute ago, Skuit said:

Cheers Nev. I appreciate your contribution. But does any of that suggest Burg has a firm no against resting players in-season, which is constantly being stated on here? Pushing through niggles to build resilience is different to managing players, right? 

The way I've understood it is that 'resilience piece' is constant. So, not just preseason and training, otherwise what's the point? If we look at last year in particular, I remember a fair few players playing through niggles (Gawn stands out as one example I specifically remember, May in the GF too). Selwyn seems to have kept that philosophy going and we have Gawn playing this week as a pretty firm example of that IMO. You would 100% back us to win this week even without the skip, but he's been picked despite obvious knee soreness.

As far as managing players goes, I don't believe Burgo (and now Selwyn) subscribe to the theory of resting as management, it seems to be more about how much harder you train (and when - 'tapering' as such).

[MrFreeze 1,971]

Myth: Weid didn't do well off the ball in the north game today

Correction: Weid had 10 marks and the highest tackle count 

[Lord Nev 13,512]

6 minutes ago, MrFreeze said:

Myth: Weid didn't do well off the ball in the north game today

Correction: Weid had 10 marks and the highest tackle count 

6 marks and 1 tackle mate.

https://www.afl.com.au/vfl/matches/4228#player-stats