This kind of knee jerk, run with the foxes and hunt with the hounds stuff is why you lose points on here WYL. I don't mind you in general but I told you at the start when Roos/Jackson were hired that there was absolutely no guarantee of them succeeding. As usual, you put things down as a cert. that things would turn around. Perhaps you should have a bit of think about these things before you say them and let the head rule more than the heart?

Getting to the point of what has been said earlier: what exactly can they do? They give us 1 million dollars a year already.We are also 3 rounds in. Any agreement (if there is any we can forge which I doubt) we could come up with them would need to be hammered out over months. It couldn't be worked out over a week because of some reactionary ranting.

In the past, we have been very unsure as to where our weak spot was: on the coaching/admin side or on the playing side. We have a bloke in charge who has proven he can coach (though he DOES need to drop talk of a succession plan in the short term and just get to work). We have a CEO who has done a bloody mighty job in getting a full book of sponsors if you consider where we are. Now and last year the word 'train wreck' and 'debacle' were thrown around a lot. Trust me. There are downward stumbles (which many clubs have gone through) and then there are train wrecks (which we, Carlton of the 00's and Richmond of the late 80's early 90's are going through). It will take time. That doesn't mean apathy or lowering standards. It means that the players should play to their optimum (which these days isn't high) and the list needs to be turned over (see my other posts about my thoughts on that).

Don't tell me how i think mate. Jackson told disinfranchised fans to take a look at the side this year and resign as members after seeing a few games.

Fair enough to.

Our list of players have no discipline or trust in each other on Game Day.

How great would PJ be feeling now?

I hope he is seething at this list of pillows.

THEY are not holding the end of the bargain.

Don't tell me how i think mate. Jackson told disinfranchised fans to take a look at the side this year and resign as members after seeing a few games.

Fair enough to.

Our list of players have no discipline or trust in each other on Game Day.

How great would PJ be feeling now?

I hope he is seething at this list of pillows.

THEY are not holding the end of the bargain.

I won't tell you what you think now but I can tell you what you thought in the past and you were oh so sure that Roos and Jackson would turn things around. A few bad results and the rapture is coming. You are too much of a weather vane. Things go bad and you want to tear the joint to pieces in the space of a week.

No one is happy with the results but perhaps a little clear headed thinking this time might be the way to go this time rather than crackpot schemes to have the MCC intervene (how that is going to happen hasn't been articulated yet but by golly, they must intervene!)? From what I recall, the game that you keep bringing up (and by the way, I agree with you that it was a significant moment in the club's history) taught the club just that lesson. It panicked and sacked the coach immediately (he may not have been the bloke to take us forward and he probably wouldn't have achieved the pass mark set but from what I remember Jimma said 10 wins was a pass mark and he should have been given at least the end of the year to at least try to get that) and reinstated a bloke who had been sacked a few days earlier and one you now berate as the reason our club is in the situation it is (which by the way I don't disagree with).

I know you enjoy arguing for the sake of it so I will end on this note. The club isn't in a great state. Ranting, raving and screaming about how 'SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!' won't save it either.

Edited April 7, 201411 yr by Colin B. Flaubert

I won't tell you what you think now but I can tell you what you thought in the past and you were oh so sure that Roos and Jackson would turn things around. A few bad results and the rapture is coming. You are too much of a weather vane. Things go bad and you want to tear the joint to pieces in the space of a week.

No one is happy with the results but perhaps a little clear headed thinking this time might be the way to go this time rather than crackpot schemes to have the MCC intervene (how that is going to happen hasn't been articulated yet but by golly, they must intervene!)? From what I recall, the game that you keep bringing up (and by the way, I agree with you that it was a significant moment in the club's history) taught the club just that lesson. It panicked and sacked the coach immediately (he may not have been the bloke to take us forward and he probably wouldn't have achieved the pass mark set but from what I remember Jimma said 10 wins was a pass mark and he should have been given at least the end of the year to at least try to get that) and reinstated a bloke who had been sacked a few days earlier and one you now berate as the reason our club is in the situation it is (which by the way I don't disagree with).

I know you enjoy arguing for the sake of it so I will end on this note. The club isn't in a great state. Ranting, raving and screaming about how 'SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!' won't save it either.

This has NOTHING to do with Jackson Roos or his coaches.

It is to do with our players who have shown nothing in 5 years.

We have already been patient Colin.

This has NOTHING to do with Jackson Roos or his coaches.

It is to do with our players who have shown nothing in 5 years.

We have already been patient Colin.

Hahaha so... The MCC are going to help with recruiting?

Seriously WYL, where do we go to see you at the comedy festival..?

Hahaha so... The MCC are going to help with recruiting?

Seriously WYL, where do we go to see you at the comedy festival..?

Be there next week mate. Recording shows for the ABC...see ya there

Machsy you completely miss the point but i can't be bothered writing an essay coz you will just rant abuse so leave it.

I am wondering how bennevolent the MCC is considering i finance both.

I just pick holes in your nonsense, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Ok - how can the MCC help with the players on the list?

You know, since:

This has NOTHING to do with Jackson Roos or his coaches.

It is to do with our players who have shown nothing in 5 years.

We have already been patient Colin.

They'll get back to you with a statement in 15 years

I just pick holes in your nonsense, but it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Ok - how can the MCC help with the players on the list?

You know, since:

You do not agree that this is a player issue.

Half the side cannot kick a football to a target FFS!!

Waive renewal memberships for MFC/MCC supporters. I second that!

Reduce pots to $2 - I'll second that too.

Ha ha - like this response, though I smell a rat. I took some new arrivals from England to the reserve on Saturday night and hit the bars at half time: pots went out with Melbourne's on-field success - its now schooners or pints.

You do not agree that this is a player issue.

Half the side cannot kick a football to a target FFS!!

What? How do you not understand what I am getting at??

If it is a player issue as you say, WTF can the MCC do about it?!??

What? How do you not understand what I am getting at??

If it is a player issue as you say, WTF can the MCC do about it?!??

Stop wasting good money???