For what it's worth I don't think we have a chance in hell of beating the Cats, let alone at the Cattery. The only way it would happen is if we play our best game of the year and they play well below their capabilities. My issue though is things like "our team is known for its upsets". It is like the use of "elite". Just a ridiculous statement. Just because teams have been known to cause upsets historically has no relevance as to "our team" being known to do it. Looking back over previous years, the team that we have has not caused any upsets. We have come close, but not been able to do it. Maybe Sydney last year, but that was nothing on the scale of what would be required to beat the Cats at home.

Fair enough, point taken. Perhaps my chest swells with some optimism after watching the last 2 weeks unfold. There's a different attitude, belief?

By the way, we do not need to beat a top 8 side to get into the 8. If we beat Port (twice), Richmond, GCS, and the Bulldogs, that would give us 11.5 wins, enough to get us into the 8. If we beat someone above us, then that would put us probably 6, and a home final.

Would love to smash Hawthorn, I still have memories from Dean Bailey's first game as coach. It was as real as it gets, I think after this game we all knew that we needed to completely rebuild our list. Then the next week against the Bulldogs, would love to return the favour to them on Friday night.

i was in a corporate box that dogs game with guy rigoni hosting it for the company he was working for. we were the only melbourne supporters in there on the day and my goodness it was painful! took a large amount of crown lager to numb the pain!! weve come a long way since...

By the way, we do not need to beat a top 8 side to get into the 8. If we beat Port (twice), Richmond, GCS, and the Bulldogs, that would give us 11.5 wins, enough to get us into the 8. If we beat someone above us, then that would put us probably 6, and a home final.

Mathematically you make sense, but there's no use in making the eight without beating a team above us....Hawks and Cats for me.

I'd just about take beating Carlton and knocking them out of the top 4 over making the finals

We'll beat WCE. Bookmark it.

I honestly think we're more likely to beat Hawthorn than Carlton. I know recent results have been thrashings to them (Excluding the game late last year, where we would have won if it hadn't gotten wet) but I think our forwardline can beat their backline pretty easily and if Frawley plays well on Buddy again we are a definite chance.