And btw, there was nothing "woeful" about Grimes' disposal on Friday night.

I agree. Has anyone said otherwise? Most certainly haven't, and no one - apart from you - has even mentioned the possibility of dropping him because of his disposal!

Ugh, why are you even bothering wasting your time picking an argument with me when you know full well that some of the stuff that gets mentioned here about young players is completely stupid?

Sure, potting players is poor form, but so is the horribly hyperbolic fanboism that goes on at times.

Why is it okay to crap on about how many hundred games every second kid that debuts for Melbourne will play, or how soon until he'll be captain, but objectionable to - rationally - discuss potential/perceived weaknesses?

The idea that it's 'too early' to discuss potential weaknesses is bizarre...that time was passed long before these guys were drafted.

fanboism?...

fanboism?...

This might help: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fanboism

Think of those who won't hear a bad word said about their choice of car (Holden/Ford), computer operating software manufacturer (Microsoft/Mac), etc.

...or you could think of those that won't hear a bad word about their newest 'next captain/300-gamer' MFC player

This might help: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fanboism

Think of those who won't hear a bad word said about their choice of car (Holden/Ford), computer operating software manufacturer (Microsoft/Mac), etc.

Cheers.

The idea that it's 'too early' to discuss potential weaknesses is bizarre...that time was passed long before these guys were drafted.

This of course sounds fair. The problem is that by reference to any reasonable benchmark for a kid with less than 20 games, he has not yet revealed any "potential weaknesses".He hasn't been perfect - but then Don Bradman only finished with an average of 99.94.

It is very naive to question Jack's decision-making ability. Yes he does take risks with his kicking trying to switch or set up attacks - that is his job! The fact that he doesn't always take the safest option doesn't make him a poor decision-maker. No risk: no reward!!

Is that really when Grimes tends to make his errors? From what I've seen, I don't think his errors are caused by pressure or risk.

Note that I'm not talking about Friday specifically - it was a couple of hours in the wet with a greasy ball, and I didn't notice him using it particularly badly, given the conditions.

Generally he is brilliant kick under pressure with both feet - and he will get better

It's interesting you think he's generally a brilliant kick under pressure, because I think most of the glaring mistakes I see him make are not caused by pressure or trying to take a 'risky' option, but when he's under relatively little pressure - it's AFL, after all - and simply fails to execute.

I'm not going to go through vision of old games but more than once he's been in a situation where he's by himself on a back flank, kicking a 20-30m pass to a teammate by himself, and fails to hit a target because he simply mis-kicks it.

(I think there was a game last year that was discussed on Demonland (v Essendon?) because scenarios like the above caused a few turnovers that resulted in opposition scoring shots, but I'm not going to hunt it down. Pretty sure 45HG also posted in it.)

I find it interesting because he looks like a decent kick and often uses the ball really well, but tends to let himself down more than you'd expect under little pressure.

Is that really when Grimes tends to make his errors? From what I've seen, I don't think his errors are caused by pressure or risk.

Note that I'm not talking about Friday specifically - it was a couple of hours in the wet with a greasy ball, and I didn't notice him using it particularly badly, given the conditions.

It's interesting you think he's generally a brilliant kick under pressure, because I think most of the glaring mistakes I see him make are not caused by pressure or trying to take a 'risky' option, but when he's under relatively little pressure - it's AFL, after all - and simply fails to execute.

I'm not going to go through vision of old games but more than once he's been in a situation where he's by himself on a back flank, kicking a 20-30m pass to a teammate by himself, and fails to hit a target because he simply mis-kicks it.

(I think there was a game last year that was discussed on Demonland (v Essendon?) because scenarios like the above caused a few turnovers that resulted in opposition scoring shots, but I'm not going to hunt it down. Pretty sure 45HG also posted in it.)

I find it interesting because he looks like a decent kick and often uses the ball really well, but tends to let himself down more than you'd expect under little pressure.

We notice Jack's kicking because h4e takes risks to set up attacking moves.

I prefer to concentrate on the overwhelming number of times he wins the ball and puts it to advantage.

I saw the Swans intercept a couple of Gary Ablett's kicks on Sunday. I wonder if there is a thread "Ablett's execution by foot" on the Catland website?

We notice Jack's kicking because h4e takes risks to set up attacking moves.

The Grimes errors that stick in my mind aren't risky kicks that set up attacking moves, as I said in the post you just quoted.

Instead, they are the errors he makes while under relatively little pressure. For a guy that I think uses the ball well most of the time, I find it curious that he tends to make unpressured errors in the way that he does.

Just watched the replay after having been at game on Friday night.

Watched carefully for Grimes. He was very good during the game. He used the ball well by hand and by foot. He did have two kicks chopped by the opposition but neither interception were costly to MFC.His decision making was also good in traffic. Some of the garbage written about Grimes is just unbelievable.

another of those rare moments... I agree 100% I actually think his decisions are normally more than ok. Normally his poise and assertiveness in actually providing good options is , i thought , becoming a hallmark of this player. I must be looking at a different Grimes to some others.

another of those rare moments... I agree 100% I actually think his decisions are normally more than ok. Normally his poise and assertiveness in actually providing good options is , i thought , becoming a hallmark of this player. I must be looking at a different Grimes to some others.

Yes... ""poise and asertiveness ...are becoming the hallmark" of the J Grimes I know as well.

I guess if you are determined to find fault you'll probably find it !

I agree. Has anyone said otherwise? Most certainly haven't, and no one - apart from you - has even mentioned the possibility of dropping him because of his disposal!

Go read the opening post again and revisit the thread last week that had one poster suggesting we should drop Grimes. Then stop procrastinating and do your assignment.

Thank you

Yes... ""poise and asertiveness ...are becoming the hallmark" of the J Grimes I know as well.

Same. It doesn't mean he doesn't have any weaknesses, and acknowledging mistakes doesn't mean you are disregarding strengths.

Fwiw, there was a bit of discussion last season on Grimes' odd habit of making unpressured errors - as opposed to your assertion that his errors are caused by taking risks - starting here:

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15622&view=findpost&p=242627