Dan..we can go on ad-infinitum.. but I do wishg however to adamantly say that its NOT a bash. In order to bash I would have singled the guy out and rubbished him. That I did not do. I simply chose to not include him in my thinking going forward and left it at that. It seems all others can then add words and thinkings into a vacuum and label it a bash. I dont accept that. I can see that not all agree and thats fair enough. Strangely all dont disagree either.

It is more than likely that the club will use a later pick to grab another 'project' ruckman much in the same way it did Spencer. In this manner you effectively have a time line for bringing him into the fray. I would imagine th eclub will do this on some sort of conintual basis every other year or when a 'likely lad' pops up and is available to be drafted.

We Have Jamar, who's proven a better player than we ( many of us and I put hand up ) thought he could /would be. Meesen has also shown a littel and hopefully with a solid preseason will add to this in '10. Spencer is getting better but still needs cooking a bit more. Martin can pinch hit.

There are only so many spots on a list. If you arent looking a likely prospect at 25 after more than a handful of seasons then youre probably not going to get there. Im not bagging th eguy just saying he ins tin my opinion quite at the elite level of footy. A club aspiring to really lift on the ladder needs better than average in the rucking dept. If PJ hasnt a role there then I cant see where else he will fit in to the team , not in any sensible and balanced fashion. It would then seem to me he is taking up a likley spot for a newer and younger recruit.

Again..its not so much what PJ does or doesnt bring to the party its that I reckon others bring more. It was they I was concentrating on.

is that less subtle

It's just an observation, I'm not sure where to find the stats, but I think we do much better with centre clearances with Jamar in the ruck. His bullocking work to clear space for our mids is his greatest asset and is why he can be far more effective than PJ with much fewer possessions.

I think its a bit rich to get your back up about others critisising PJ Dappa when you're clearly prepared to give Jamar a flogging. Jamar beat Sandilands and Charman, among others, convincingly last year and has been better than PJ in every game he's played this year. The big russian is clearly our number one ruck despite whatever fantasy you concoct about games played. Take the blinkers off Dappa, Jamar's come along in leaps and bounds since taking the mantle off Jeff White mid last season, still a ways to go but I'm optimistic

Once again Rhino I will expect you to:

A) Ignore the facts.

B) Ignore what is written.

C) Quote meaningless stats to support whatever garbage you've decided to heap on whatever player you feel like picking on this week.

D) Make absolutely no contribution. To anything.

Prove me wrong. Actually. Don't even bother, I have better things to do than read the same stuff I've read for seasons upon seasons now.

That's your job Dappa.

You could have fooled me about your time.

Anyway,enjoy having your nuts tickled by our premier ruckman. You deserve a little joy in what seems a hard life. B)

White man can't jump, the 'Russian's' got some jumping beans in him me thinks.

Wait for his next tricks, when he takes a grab or two in the goal square.

Then try play on

is that less subtle

I can see your point now, I don't really agree with some of the ratings of the players but I can see the point. The original post just smacked of everything I dislike about this forum, whether intended or not. There are enough 'clever' posters on this forum who post in this way regularly and I am happy to ignore them. I just wanted to make it known that I didn't take the post seriously, I probably should have just ignored this one as well but it was a slow day at work.