Just a phone call away from scandal...

[e25 5]

Leave me out of this

hahahahaha love it

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

Even if I was Coglin himself it wouldn't change the fact that Jim said that when he took over the club, it was nuturing an environment that was ingorant of and excluded women.

Bu you just can't face up to this.

If and when you do, you will not be able to face up th the fact that it is a lie.

I don't care whether Jim was right or wrong on the perception of women amogst the club, its a side issue.

But Stynes & the new Board saved The MFC... & you Hazy do not like that fact.

[e25 5]

Even if I was Coglin himself it wouldn't change the fact that Jim said that when he took over the club, it was nuturing an environment that was ingorant of and excluded women.

Bu you just can't face up to this.

If and when you do, you will not be able to face up th the fact that it is a lie.

And Jim was right! he said it was ignorant of the issues involving women (correct) and it had problems with 'exclusivity' (correct)

simple. Argument over.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

You have failed to give a meaningful response to my points (and instead have rambled on) and you have abused me. So going by your logic I win.

I have said that I regret that one slip I made, which I did mostly because I thought it sounded funny.

I also conceded that, by my standards, this would make it a "draw" - i.e. you were trying to change the subject, I took a cheap shot at your "record with women".

To say that I have failed to respond to your "points" is ridiculous but whatever helps you sleep at night Roost It.

Clearly I am not here to win a popularity contest, so I'll leave it to the more impressive minds lurking around demonland to decide for themselves who has won our argument.

Maybe I am Michael Coglin after all?

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

I don't care whether Jim was right or wrong on the perception of women amogst the club, its a side issue.

But Stynes & the new Board saved The MFC... & you Hazy do not like that fact.

Whatever mate. We have been discussing that side issue for 6 pages now.

Feel free to start a new thread if this topic does not interest you.

[rusty_kingswood 0]

P.S. Apologies to the less literate demonlanders who prefer to neither read or write too much, nor understand an issue too deeply.

woh...cutting.

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

Maybe I am Michael Coglin after all?

This would make sense considering your anti-Stynes posts on here fore the last 6 months.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

And Jim was right! he said it was ignorant of the issues involving women (correct) and it had problems with 'exclusivity' (correct)

simple. Argument over.

Jim said that when he took over the club, it was nuturing an environment that was ingorant of and excluded women.

Bu you just can't face up to this.

If and when you do, you will not be able to face up th the fact that it is a lie.

Well my prediction was really about why you little but still, your reply does make me seem pretty prescient.

It is also absolute rubbish and will be recognised as such by anyone who possess the faintest amount of knowledge about the issue and the club.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

woh...cutting.

I take back my apology.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

This would make sense considering your anti-Stynes posts on here fore the last 6 months.

Wouldn't change the facts though, would it?

[Roost It 1,434]

I have said that I regret that one slip I made, which I did mostly because I thought it sounded funny.

I also conceded that, by my standards, this would make it a "draw" - i.e. you were trying to change the subject, I took a cheap shot at your "record with women".

To say that I have failed to respond to your "points" is ridiculous but whatever helps you sleep at night Roost It.

Clearly I am not here to win a popularity contest, so I'll leave it to the more impressive minds lurking around demonland to decide for themselves who has won our argument.

Maybe I am Michael Coglin after all?

There are no winners in a difference of opinion. From the way I see it I'm right. From the way you see you're right. The only real loser is the club for having this put into the media.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

There are no winners in a difference of opinion. From the way I see it I'm right. From the way you see you're right. The only real loser is the club for having this put into the media.

...for which Jim should be blamed.

P.S. Don't forget the facts along with your opinions.

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

Wouldn't change the facts though, would it?

Facts are the Club is picking itself up out of the Mud, & starting to win Respect Back which it had completely lost up until last year.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

Facts are the Club is picking itself up out of the Mud, & starting to win Respect Back which it had completely lost up until last year.

Feel free to start a new thread if this topic does not interest you.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

Hazy we are on the same page. It was an attempt at humour in a thread without any. Sorry, obviously missed the mark!

No worries. I just think that it is stupid when people give me a hard time for making long, considered posts. Usually this is exacerbated by the fact that the people complaining are nit-wits who add very little of substance to the conversation. That clearly does not apply to you.

P.S. I might actually "Atlas shrug" for a while - that is, if I can contain myself. Over to you Heracles.

[Jarka 767]

Things I've learnt from this thread...

1. Hazy's stamina is unparalleled (his mrs must be very tired...)

2. Posters are prepared to believe either Stynes or Coglin's version of events as gospel while completely dismissing the opposites stance. It's this belief which ultimately influences their argument.

3. The topic of acceptance and respect of women in sport is well regarded by the MFC, by both the present admin and past.

4. Reading these types of threads seriously affects my work

5. There are no facts, just points of view.

[Roost It 1,434]

Hazy we are on the same page. It was an attempt at humour in a thread without any. Sorry, obviously missed the mark!

RI Coglin went to the media to protect the image of the MFC which Stynes had soiled, even if it was limited to the 300 people at the CL. He did it at personal cost knowing he couldn't win in a PR exercise against Stynes. He wanted the truth recorded.

You should thank him.

I know of many good people who have had serious disagreements with people in positions of influence. Some of them yell and scream, some of them sort it out behind closed doors, others seek reconciliation. None of them have, or ever would, resort to going to the media because they know that in the end this hurts everyone. That is where you and I will always differ. You see Coglin as saving the face of the club by talking to the Herald Sun (I know I'm not the only one who laughs at this very concept) and I see the club losing face by him going to the media.

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

It's ok Hazy (sorry Michael) i will stay in here. It is the relevant thread as the last board were a joke, even if their hearts were in the right place.

The perception of the MFC & the MCC for that matter from the outer has always been one of exclusive & stuffy whether it is right or wrong. One of the first things i heard Jimma say was that he wanted to relax those perceptions. Good, make people feel welcome.

I can smell sour grapes Hazy, as you no longer sit around the Table of Power.

[Hannabal 4]

Oh I kapeesh alright I also kapeesh that the previous board had very little ground to defend themselves on and Mick is grasping at, possibly, the only bit left.

Don't think that I'm an apologist for the previous Board - I'm not. I can however distinguish between issues and judge them on their merits. If you want to start a thread about the performance of the previous Board then do so. This thread is about Jim's foot in mouth grandstanding gone wrong.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

It's ok Hazy (sorry Michael) i will stay in here. It is the relevant thread as the last board were a joke, even if their hearts were in the right place.

The perception of the MFC & the MCC for that matter from the outer has always been one of exclusive & stuffy whether it is right or wrong. One of the first things i heard Jimma say was that he wanted to relax those perceptions. Good, make people feel welcome.

I can smell sour grapes Hazy, as you no longer sit around the Table of Power.

Feel free to start a new thread if this topic does not interest you.

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

You are like Fonzy was Hazy. You just cannot say the word "Wr....Wrong"

If somebody yelled abuse at me during 3 Q time last saturday, I may not answer them straight away either.

The Invitation was given by Jim to Speak in Private. I hope they (or should i say you) take it up.

Just Do It, then you can move on just like the club is already doing.

[Jarka 767]

This thread is about Jim's foot in mouth grandstanding gone wrong.

That's part of what this thread is about...

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

You are like Fonzy was Hazy. You just cannot say the word "Wr....Wrong"

If somebody yelled abuse at me during 3 Q time last saturday, I may not answer them straight away either.

The Invitation was given by Jim to Speak in Private. I hope they (or should i say you) take it up.

Just Do It, then you can move on just like the club is already doing.

hahahah

Ok, so if I am Michael now, does that mean that I can say that that bit about me yelling abuse is rubbish?

hahahah

You should get together with Hannabal. You'd make a great pair.

[Sir Why You Little 36,971]

hahahah

Ok, so if I am Michael now, does that mean that I can say that that bit about me yelling abuse is rubbish?

hahahah

You should get together with Hannabal. You'd make a great pair.

You would never Believe anything Jim Stynes said anyway Hazy. The Last Board that included Michael had there chance & they completely Buggered it all (including the club) right up.

So i believe similiar to an old coach or an old player they should keep the mouth closed. (As Paul Gardiner has done) Leaking to the Hun is not a good option & never will be.

[Hazyshadeofgrinter 80]

You would never Believe anything Jim Stynes said anyway Hazy. The Last Board that included Michael had there chance & they completely Buggered it all (including the club) right up.

So i believe similiar to an old coach or an old player they should keep the mouth closed. (As Paul Gardiner has done) Leaking to the Hun is not a good option & never will be.

hahahah