It has everything to do with the fact that when you go on tirades about "just going out to win" and "not accepting mediocrity," you are not facing up to reality.

Are you saying that Hawthorn's attitude of bottoming out, before then becoming a competitive side step by step had nothing to do with them winning the Premiership? How can you say "the Hawks teams of the 80's expected to win, and did" (notwithstanding the quality of their list compared to ours) and then ignore the pathetic state their club was in as recently as the 2006 season?

Honestly, i feel like it is a mediocre viewpoint. This attitude of "oh, the club just doesn't try to win enough" does not say to me that you have any grasp of the problems at the club, on or off the field. It is childlike in its simplicity and it does not apply to modern day footy.

It has everything to do with the fact that when you go on tirades about "just going out to win" and "not accepting mediocrity," you are not facing up to reality.

Are you saying that Hawthorn's attitude of bottoming out, before then becoming a competitive side step by step had nothing to do with them winning the Premiership? How can you say "the Hawks teams of the 80's expected to win, and did" (notwithstanding the quality of their list compared to ours) and then ignore the pathetic state their club was in as recently as the 2006 season?

Honestly, i feel like it is a mediocre viewpoint. This attitude of "oh, the club just doesn't try to win enough" does not say to me that you have any grasp of the problems at the club, on or off the field. It is childlike in its simplicity and it does not apply to modern day footy.

I was talking about the Hawks attitude in the '80's. I did not mention anything about the 21st century. You did that. Don't change my words

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Now sit back and enjoy the ride next Sunday!

Whilst we're predicting outcomes Y_M, here is one with a long range forecast. J.Roughead to win the Coleman. Good value...he'll also give good sight for your $. Put some on and thank me 1st of September.

So if you're admitting the attitude of the 80's is different to the 21st Century, why would you bring it up?

So if you're admitting the attitude of the 80's is different to the 21st Century, why would you bring it up?

Because they were absolutely Ruthless for about 20 years thats why i bring it up 1971-1991 As Much as i Hate Them Hawthorn were just in your face everyday.

That is the attitude i want the MFC to get to. I hope Stynesy is in charge when it happens.