Earl Hood

That Johnson kid was stiff, those 4 goals all had high degrees of difficulty and kept them in it.

46 minutes ago, Swooper1987 said:

No surprise at all given that Oliver was supposed to be on De Goey for much of the night.  Gawn was outstanding and I'm pleased both coaches acknowledged it if some here couldn't.

So if we had won by 2 goals Oliver would have got 8 votes and De Goey would have got zero because he was supposed to be on Oliver? 

1 hour ago, george_on_the_outer said:

It has happened in a number of games this week:  Umpires calling incorrect disposal, when the player has had NO prior opportunity and the ball is merely dislodged.

• 18.6.2 Holding the ball: Prior Opportunity – Where a Player in Possession of the Football has had Prior Opportunity, a field Umpire shall award a Free Kick if that Player does not Correctly Dispose of the football immediately when they are Legally Tackled.
• 18.6.3 Holding the ball: Incorrect Disposal – Where a Player in Possession of the Football has not had Prior Opportunity, a field Umpire shall award a Free Kick if that Player elects to Incorrectly Dispose of the football when Legally Tackled. For the avoidance of doubt, a Player does not elect to Incorrectly Dispose of the football when:
  • (a) the Player genuinely attempts to Correctly Dispose of the football
  • (b) the Legal Tackle causes the football to be dislodged from the Player’s possession.

It was certainly the case in our game.

Thanks for posting that. To me the rules would appear to clear Hibberd who had no prior opportunity in the first quarter by any stretch of the imagination (18.6.2.). He had barely picked the ball up when it was dislodged by the tackler. And Viney was hard done by after receiving a handball in the last quarter in heavy traffic and immediately trying to get it to his boot only to be tackled and missing his foot 18.6.3 (a) and (b)! That’s 2 gifted goals right there. 

1 hour ago, DeeZone said:

That is very interesting DD, statistically we are identical to 2021, some players up some down but same output our DNA is strong just not getting the same results on the scoreboard or have other teams past us by??

I think part of the answer is that the good Opposition teams are playing us differently. The emphasis is quick ball movement, switching play, don’t go down the line, keep the ball low and targeted going into their forward line. Doggies and Pies have done that and managed to negate Lever and May and play around Max and avoiding getting into a dour, defensive wrestle. Us, well when we have the ball we display some breathtaking ball movement early on to score easily but then tend to revert to very predictable defensive ball movement in the second half of games, kicking down the line, high balls into our F50 etc and get run over by the better teams. 

Not fit enough! 

18 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

That one stings, because the first half was premiership standard football, we maybe could have converted slightly better but overall pretty happy, and then just hit a bit of a wall, not too sure why. 

thought we found a little bit of energy in the last but the Pies just handled the moment a little bit better. 

It stings a bit to drop that game, but not too worried in the bigger picture

The concern for me overall is that for the second time in 3 weeks our team defense has been found lacking. we seem to get sucked into the fast paced shootout style game with teams very easily and it just doesn't suit us. 

I went to a night with May and Lever 10 days ago and I remember May saying the lose to the Dogs was uncharacteristic and Goody gave them a spray saying we don’t get into shoot outs it’s not our brand we need to shutdown the oppositions run and suffocate them. So even though we were 3 goals up at half time and dominating the stats I was thinking we are still playing this game on their terms, not ours. And guess what happened. With our forward line we can’t expect to win fast flowing shootouts. Oh for a Lynch or Hawkins just to get a few easy goals from a high kick in and a solid mark by a key forward. We just don’t get those and have to work hard for every score, only tonight to see the Pies slingshot the ball out of our 50 and low and hard into their forward 50 taking May and Lever out of the equation. Of course chaos ball into your 50 and getting 3 frees in front of goal for incorrect disposal helps big time. I am not sure why you would pick the ball in heavy traffic as a backman these days. 

Extraordinary football but this isn’t our brand. Need to shut this end to end stuff down next quarter. 

The Weid is certainly sitting in limbo now. Dropped a few games out from the finals with BB ahead of him with what seems to be our finals forward structure of 1 tall forward with Max or LJ helping out. With TMac, JVR and even Joel Smith as options ahead of a recall. Watched the replay again of last weeks game, Weid got to numerous aerial contests but each time he was doing little more than being part of the numbers, occassionally getting a defensive fist in to spoil. He doesn’t seem to have any ability to impose his body into a contest up forward, taking the initiative to crash a pack or decisively punch a ball away. He is just there. Back up ruck for Jackson now I suppose. 

4 hours ago, tiers said:

The champions St Kilda got from Ballarat were Lockett and then Frawley. Not much for nearly 20 years.

From Bendigo the lolly blues got Southey, Ashman and a couple of others but, from their pre zoning success in the late 60s, they had the money and the George Harris cheek to raid WA and SA sides to collect Kernahan, Bradley, Bosustow, Dorotich to toughen their squad. Nobody wanted to go to the sainters.

 

Yes zoning was part of the story but the money and ability to raid the best talent from SA and WA set the outcomes throughout the 70’s and 80’s. Didn’t Norm Smith in Red Fox identify this as an issue in the 60’s but his pleas to the MCC Board to be able to pay players from interstate fell flat. To the Board it was a privilege to play for the MFC on the G and be offered an MCC membership! Thus consigning us to oblivion for decades while Geelong, Carlton, Hawthorn and Richmond reaped the best interstate talent to dominate the VFL. 

48 minutes ago, Macca said:

The game is so much better without countless players staging for frees

Result - open footy, more attacking footy and more scoring opportunities

Less congestion as the players need to keep moving the ball on instead of looking to get a soft free kick ... less stoppages as well

The game at the MCG produced 29 goals ... what's not to like? 

High contact, soft, frivolous free kicks are no more (in a general sense) and the players have been well and truly sent a message

Players being fined retrospectively for staging is a great move too

 

Agree on shelving the soft frees although I thought Cumberland’s first or second where he walked about 10m toward goal with a Lions player desperately hanging on around his waist then grounded the ball but got back up to kick the goal in full view of the umpire was pushing the boundary! Holding the ball or dropping the ball surely. But yes great spectacle. 

42 minutes ago, layzie said:

True story, how good was it seeing those fakers do nothing!

That said the problem is Lobb will likely be part of the LJ trade as Freo don’t have great picks to trade to us. So it might have been nice to see Lobb show something as a forward. 

1 hour ago, mo64 said:

We have Turner, Joel Smith and Tomlinson at Casey. Why bother experimenting with Weid as a backman to the detriment of others?

Weid isn't a forward talent, so any comparisons to Howe and Moore are not relevant.

Your last sentence doesn’t make much sense. All 3 players were regarded as elite forward talent when drafted. All 3 struggled at AFL level as forwards, 2 have since found their niche as defenders, the other is still struggling badly as a forward, is 25 years old with a year left on his contract. I’m looking at options to salvage something from a first round draft investment.  

8 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

doesn't compete in the air well enough to play as a key back

I was suggesting we at least look at how he performs behind the ball, not necessarily as a lockdown defender on the opposition gorilla, more as the floating intercept defender. My dim memories of playing footy I remember competing in the air as a forward was much harder than as a defender where you don’t have someone off your left shoulder ready to punch the ball or more often your head. I note both Jeremy Howe and Darcy Moore were obvious forward talents, both struggled and now play in defence as intercept defenders. 

6 Viney

5 Brayshaw

4 Fritsch

3 Petracca

2 Sparrow

1 Petty

On 7/26/2022 at 1:54 PM, tiers said:

One of the benefits of being more than 57 years old is that I have seen so many coaching styles and team game plans that it becomes overload. However one theme that has succeeded many times in the past is repositioning a player.

If a player who, one the face, has ability and potential but is not succeeding in any position then it is time to either pass him on or try him out elsewhere. Weid seems to lack the ability/drive/positioning/physical attributes to succeed as a key follower/forward.

Where else might he offer something? He is tall, has good agility, can mark when on a lead (but not in a pack) and can kick long and straight. I suggest try him as a half forward/wingman with licence to roam and present when clear. Can't hurt.

Should have been trialled as a key position backman since last year with the view to move Petty forward. He is not a key forward but has size and skills that can be utilised. 

Fingers crossed that Weideman stands up in the second half and clunks a couple of goals

Next half of footy defines the rest of the season! Oliver has to break his tag. 

1 hour ago, COOLX said:

Surely the f.ck J.Smith (44) is not playing defence again , the selectors must be sh.t scared to try something out of the ordinary. Probably trying to cover their arses. 

Interesting to see where Joel lines up. Steven May said he would be playing forward on Wednesday night in answer to a question about our lack of tall forward options. 

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Two questions re the Sporting Globe Bar

1/ what was May drinking?

2/ was Melk there?

Melk wasn’t there and May was on the lemonaids. 

I am struggling with the rules. Hibberd went for the ball but because someone is running in it’s a free to them? I mean it’s not as if Hibberd is running straight at the opposing player and goes low front on. That’s where the rule started, to now where you can’t jump on the loose ball in the back line. 

41 minutes ago, RedQuoll1996 said:

Did May say this on an interview?

No at a night with Lever & May at the Sporting Globe Bar. Good night and you get an insight into their personalities and what makes them tick as well as some goss. 

39 minutes ago, old dee said:

I often wonder if they think there is one person out there that believes these type of team placements.

 

Really looking forward to Kozzie playing at CHF though and him crashing the packs to get the ball down to Weideman and when Max is resting forward! 

18 hours ago, COOLX said:

I thought there was a suggestion that J.Smith was going to play forward . Another breakdown from playing defence whether it be via Casey or Demons he will end up getting de listed.

Steven May said Last night that J Smith will play forward this week for Casey

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Length of contract might be an issue too

There's a big difference between $4Million over 5 years as opposed to $1.8Million over 3 years

Secured & guaranteed income extending to five years is very appealing

I am assuming Brayshaw’s management & MFC are hanging on Jackson’s decision. If Jackson goes there is more MFC can offer if the want to in $ and length of contract. The AFL tradition of players not announcing mid season that their off to a new club, unlike the NRL, is stalling negotiations. I think Brayshaw wants to stay and LJ wants to go back home but it won’t be resolved til season end. 

1 hour ago, rjay said:

Nothing to do with humour at all.

I really just wanted to know where the ball was, who had it and the score...he could give me none of those things.

All that info would be a bonus, I just wanted to know who was playing who if I tuned in when Rex was babbling about everything but the game and where every player had a nickname!