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It starts getting pretty convoluted if moving on a promising and developing key defender is the catalyst for securing a ruck from another club. Perhaps it’s just Preuss has told his manager he likes Melbourne as he can see the potential for success so that’s triggered discussions, but the realities or practicalities haven’t really played a part yet.

The only way this makes sense to me is if the plan is for Hogan to move to midfield or even the backline because Preuss can only play ruck or deep forward. That way Gawn and Preuss could swap ruck and forward with each other, plus there is some contingency if Gawn gets injured. I can’t understand why Preuss wouldn’t go to somewhere like the Bulldogs, St.Kilda or Adelaide where he would have a clear run at being #1 ruckman.

I think it’s fair to say all of Spargo (on the ground), Fritsch and Hannan (in the air) show courage that belies their slight or small statures. i think it’s clear Melbourne have valued courage as an attitude over flash in their selections once Roos and Taylor arrived. It’s not all about physical size. Ironically one or two less “courageous” but skilled types like Isaac Smith or Brad Hill could be accommodated and be quite useful about now.

TLDR ANB consistently does what’s asked of him, so her plays. I don’t find ANB’s continued selection a mystery at all. Goodwin emphasises the importance of good habits over and over and over and over. ANB embodies those habits. Surprise demotions when the basic stats sheet looks OK are habits based. Until there are enough players who can be as good, or near to ANB on those habits, and are better where ANB is weak, he will continue to get selected. What this shows is faith in the chosen strategy by the selection panel. This is a great thing* because it provides absolute clarity to every player on the list as to what they need to do so they are in consideration. Chopping and changing week to week or defaulting to raw talent over sticking to the game plan is a culture killer unless your list talent level is really high. Collingwood in Malthouse’s final years had rules for talent and rules for others and it worked because of the volume of talent. Buckley wanted to move to a discipline and habits based philosophy as that’s more sustainable when the talent volume isn’t there - as is inevitable. It hurt Buckley and Collingwood for years when the talent retired or was cut, and almost cost him his job, but the worm seems to have turned now. * assuming the strategy is the correct one!

It’s a bit like basketball. Shooting from the key gives high scoring percentage 1 on 1, but if all a team does is go there with no outside shooting threats it’s really easy to defend because you just block up the key so it’s never 1on 1. It’s not until the opposition take and make some outside shots that you bother to defend them -which opens up the key for them to take easier high percentage close shots again. This is absolutely a classic coaching game plan problem to solve.

I think the main driver with The Watts trade was also his lack of reliability in contests, but I think salary cap relief was another element i.e. the big chunk he was taking up made tolerating his onfield weaknesses even less palatable.

On a related note, Nathan Brown (Demon #25 variety) has at least a couple of sons playing at the same footy club as my daughter. Early teens and pre-teen but both winning/placing in the B&Fs. I've not seen either play.

I'm mildly surprised Dom wasn't offloaded in last year's trade period as all the signs were there of value for all potential parties. I see him as a solid 6-7/10 across many facets you require in a midfielder. Melbourne are now looking to become and maintain at next level contender, so need more 8-9/10 in key areas even if those guys are 3-4/10 in different areas - in other words, role players to surround the true stars. Think Hannan, Harmes, Fritsch. Carlton desperately need experience and reliability to surround their developing youth talent - they are where Melbourne were when Tyson arrived. In other words, Tyson is genuine depth at Melbourne, he doesn't fit lock best 22 anymore which is more a function of the team developing than Tyson going significantly backwards. Trading is all about value, so look at it from Melbourne and Carlton's perspectives as well as Tyson's across other aspects. Carlton don't need heaps of 18-20 year old talents and will continue to get enough talented juniors through their likely finishing positions. Melbourne want to keep the pipeline of quality juniors coming in with an eye to the future, however are hamstrung having traded away first rounders for Lever plus likely finishing positions limiting draft picks. Melbourne value draft picks around the late teen or early 20s far more than Carlton do. Carlton don't (shouldn't) have salary cap concerns. Melbourne do, especially if they want Gaff (see the Watts deal last year for an example of salary cap free up being part of the deal). If Tyson is on 400-450k, that freed room is value to Melbourne, more so if Gaff is a possibility. A left field one. Do Carlton (or Essendon or St.Kilda) have a ~27-28 year old player that would be a great fit for Melbourne for 2019 and the next few years? I can't immediately think of one, but that could be value to Melbourne more than that player is value to Carlton or the other struggler clubs. Think a replacement for Vince/Lewis or a solid small defender in case Jetta goes down. If Kade Simpson was a bit younger. Or potentially shake a wayward talent like Billings out of the Saints. Finally what is Tyson's attitude? He has shown he is not afraid to do what he wants to further his agenda. He agreed to the trade from GWS to Melbourne. He was very vocal about the training camp in late 2016 where he got injured. He appears to have high confidence on the field. Does his ego allow him to be depth and maybe get finals (and dare I say it, premiership opportunity) but reliant on form and injury of others - while taking a lesser salary than he could command elsewhere? Or is he happy to go to Carlton, get a $150k per year bump and a guaranteed AFL best 22 spot? Who knows what value is for Tyson the individual aside from him and probably Melbourne? He is contracted to Melbourne until the end of 2019 so there is advantage to the Demons there for this upcoming trade period, but that lessens for 2019 trade period. I believe this will hinge on whether Melbourne will get Gaff in which case Tyson will be shopped hard, and if Gaff is not on it will be down to Tyson's perspective and attitude. Too many planets are aligning for nothing to happen here.

Frost in is a must for Ben Brown, maybe Kielty as a left field bolter. Wagner is the obvious casualty however the coaching staff clearly see something in him. Lewis (and Vince) are not contributing what their role is meant to be - which is consistently great decisions and rarely make mistakes which compensates for lack of atheleticism. As the season progresses I think only one will be in the team but too early to drop one. I’d drop Lewis if I had my way and bring in Frost and toy with Bugg out for whoever is in form - maybe Kent for the foot speed and ability to hit the scoreboard. What I would say for Bugg is he does run hard forward. He was often alone in the goal square as a goal sailed through but Harmes when pushing forward does the same and is more versatile than Bugg.

I think there's an element of "do the right thing" by giving players certainty over their future (or lack of future) so they have more time to lobby hard to get another chance elsewhere, or start on the next phase of their life ASAP. From a selfish club perspective only, sure you'd wait until the last possible moment to delist a player but that means they're in limbo and potentially stressing out longer. I also think the delist candidates are only likely to attract throw away draft picks, so there's not a loss of genuine trade value.

It's the same situatuion for Collingwood as per prior posts with North and Saints. Collingwood would need to reserve the cap space for Lever, and that would prevent them getting involved in other potential player trades. Plus they risk Melbourne and Adelaide agreeing to a trade late and Lever not even being in the draft. So yes it's possible, but unlikely as it's a really risky play. If Collingwood conspire with Adelaide to get Lever across with anything other than a fair isolated trade in the AFL's eyes, which Lever needs to agree to, that's draft tampering.

Lever must agree to any trade so unless Collingwood can convince him to change his mind and accept playing for them, it can't happen. Collingwood could trump Melbourne in the draft, but Adelaide would still get nothing out of that. It think it's also considered draft tampering to do separate but connected trades, or lopsided trade in exchange for other commitments. That's what Hawthorn and the Bulldogs did with Jade Rawlings many many years ago - a lopsided trade in the Hawks' favour in exchange for them forcing Rawlings into the draft so the Bulldogs could pick him up against his will.

Absolutely, they will have that space today. As do St. kilda by the sounds of it. But both clubs will be trying to secure targets that WANT to play for them with that space during trade period. If they can't secure those players and still have the space at the end of the trade period, you're right that they are a threat to get Lever. Plus we have no idea their attitude to bringing in a player on massive dollars who doesn't want to be there. That could cause big ripples in the existing North and St.Kilda playing group, especially if Lever gets there and mopes about the place. Culture and team harmony must be considerations too.

The other factor in Melbourne's favour is the longer the Lever situation drags out, the less likely any other clubs will keep $750k-$1m space in their cap "just in case". If other clubs keep the space and wait, there is a massive chance they will miss other trade opportunities and still end up not getting Lever if Melbourne and Adelaide agree to an 11th hour trade. It won't hurt Melbourne though because they know exactly the space they need to reserve in the cap, plus they "ring fence" 10 and 27 as unavailable for other trades and can keep working on those other trades with that in mind. It could get to a point where Melbourne are the ONLY club who literally can accomodate his contract demands, and could select him with the last pick in the draft. Melbourne could be really brutal if they wanted to and engineer things so Adelaide get nothing. There is a small risk of another club hastily renegotiating existing contracts to open up cap space but that would require agreement of multiple players and therefore very unlikely to happen. If Melbourne are smart, and I hope they are, they will have a figure they could pay Lever if he goes into the draft. Say $1m each year for two years, but if a trade can be brokered Lever signs at $750k * 4 years instead This makes it even less likely other clubs would draft him should it come to it.

The document covers PSD too. My understanding is in the past a player like Lever where their contract expired but they weren't delisted would only be able to nominate for PSD. Think Nick Stevens, Jamie Shanahan. But the rules changed quite some time ago to allow the player to choose which draft they want to be in. Luke Ball did this almost a decade ago. It would be to Lever's advantage to be in the National Draft as competing clubs are trading off possibility of the best u/18 prospects vs. Lever when selecting. If he nominates for PSD, the clubs are only tossing up between players already overlooked with around 100 selections and Lever. Lever is far less likely to last to Melbourne's pick 10 in PSD than he is to last to Melbourne's pick 10 in the ND. I still reckon a trade for 10 and 27 will happen, maybe with some face saving "meh" pick swaps too.

Look at this link. If a player nominates terms it is for two seasons, not one. The player is tied to the club who drafts him for two years unless there are other circumstances that Lever doesn't qualify for (e.g. Drafted for the first time at 24+ years of age).

I'd doubt there's anyone of significance involved with either club from those times. Ancient history which won't be righted in this deal. They also screwed us on Nathan Bassett. It's all just brinksmanship to appease the supporters. The last thing shattered Crows supporters want to see is their team not fighting in trade week after they didn't fight on Grand Final day. The Crows sending Lever into the draft not only means they get no compensation, it also sends a message to their players "We don't give a stuff about what you want as a person, we own you and will do as we please". Scaring your remaining players into staying is not a sensible thing to do. Giving up value for nothing is not a sensible thing to do. The Crows appear to be a sensible club by and large.

I was surprised too. Why the gap in announcements particularly when the writing appeared to be on the wall with zero senior games despite no serious injuries? Delisting makes the player a free agent, so that facilitates a player to get where they want. I seem to recall due to the delisted free agent signing window timings, trading a player for a nothing pick can mean the player can get training with their new club more quickly. So it can be seen as doing your former player and receiving club a favour by trading instead of delisting. I suspect there had been some luke warm interest in him during the year from another club, but that interest turned cold between the initial delisting announcement and Kennedy's announcement. Or maybe Kennedy was not contactable at the time of the original delistings so they decided to wait to deliver the message in person out of respect prior to making it public?

Yep, the stay in Victoria was really firm from his manager, the stay at Dees was more what the manager would say when playing a straight bat, it didn't have the same conviction. That's not to panic anyone, I read it as family means a heap to Petracca so his manager couldn't foresee a time Petracca would choose to move away from the family - EVER. Which means Adelaide would never be possible. That's all. A Manager would not say a player would NEVER EVER consider changing clubs, that's kind of destroying part of their negotiating power.

From the trade radio launch Paul Connors, who manages Watts and Salem, was asked if Adelaide had asked after either of those players. He said no, and that Salem would be at Melbourne, but was a little more vague on Watts. He volunteered that while the Crows didn't ask about either of them, they did ask about another player which was quickly rejected. When later pressed, he basically said that player was Petracca (who he also manages) and that Petracca would never leave the city Melbourne, and then added he thought he'd play his career at the Demons. So this definitely confirms without doubt Lever to Melbourne is a massive possibility, and Adelaide (well within their rights) are starting at a very high price in return.

Sounds like negotiation 101. Each side starts from a position favourable to what they believe is ultimately fair, and then start the dance. Getting a deal over the line can often be more about each side feeling they have had a win during the negotiation, not what outside parties think is fair. If this info is true, I would expect the ultimate outcome to be Lever and Adelaide's 2017 2nd round (35 or so) or 2018 2nd round pick for perhaps Melbourne's 2018 1st round and 2017 2nd round (25?). Lots of this will depend on how both Adelaide and Melbourne rate the depth of this year's and next year's drafts as later 2nd round picks are often where the talent drops off. Plus how each team thinks Melbourne and Adelaide will perform in 2018 and therefore where future picks are likely to land. These factors would dictate if the clubs prefer 2017 or 2018 picks. I believe Melbourne have already shown their trade and draft philosophy. 1st round is for potential elites but they will still use them in a trade for genuine quality, 2nd round picks are better spent on known solid quantities that fill a need as illustrated by the Melksham, Hibberd and Vince deals, and then back yourself to find and develop a gem or two with the later picks so it almost don't matter if that's pick 42, 54 or 60 as you'll likely still get one of the players you wanted. So I do not expect Melbourne to take 2nd rounders into the draft unless they can't find a trade for a known quantity that fills a need, like an Isaac Smith type. So if they have to burn a 2nd round to get Lever along with a first round I think they will do it as Lever is such a "need" guy. But if so they will look to trade a player out (maybe Kent if lucky because another team like his pace, or I have a gut feel Watts may have his papers stamped by Goodwin and he would definitely get a 2nd round) to get another 2nd round in, and then use that 2nd round to trade for a known quantity need. It's a bit complicated!

I think they are on par for foot speed. Hannan far better in the air, Kent some more strength but doesn't really use it. Both are unreliable set shots for goal (Hannan St.Kilda goals aside) but Hannan seems better on the snap than Kent. I suspect the harder to spot difference where Hannan has it over Kent is adherence to instructions/attitude.

Completely agree. Different sport in basketball, but at 185cm and 40 years old I'm not phased by an equally unagile player at 190cm. I've done ok defending former Demon Daniel Clarke who is 205cm because he wasn't athletic. An agile, 180cm player who has a vertical leap however... Athelticism is far more important than paper height when you're in the same ball park, and when Joe Daniher or Rory Lobb are marking at full stretch while jumping it wouldn't matter how tall the defender is.

I think Lever is great, but May is more what the team lacks. The team already has capable readers of play and intercept markers, albeit not as rounded as Lever. Tom Mac, Hibberd, even O Mac, Wagner and Hunt at a stretch. There are options for what Lever is exceptional at. The exposure that May would help address is the go to option to purely defend a big forward.

Palmer was definitely to free up salary cap space for GWS as that's what they valued. Silvagni would know Palmer is a stop gap, but it allowed Carlton to pay "unders" for other players with draft picks as the salary cap space it created for GWS evens it up. Lamb... I can't explain that one.