chookrat

49 minutes ago, praha said:

Collingwood is still most likely to finish 1st and we would back ourselves in to beat them. Meaning we'd never travel.

I'd rather play interstate in the QF than a Prelim.

Wouldn't we have to travel if we come up against Brisbane or Port in the prelim? E.g. they finished higher on the ladder and so play a home game, or does us winning our Qualifying place us ahead of them from a home v away prelim perspective?

On 8/12/2023 at 11:41 PM, Roost it far said:

Personally 4th spot is our best option

From a supporter perspective it means only one interstate final - the prelim - if we go all the way. In any case the only team/ground combo I wouldn't automatically back us to win would be Brisbane at the Gabba. I reckon I'll be booking flights for finals depending on tomorrows result.

3 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

Pies have pulled up stumps on the H&A season, which on the one hand is fair as they can ill afford more injuries, but on the other hand is a worry because they are flirting with already pretty mediocre form.

If Brisbane smash them, that gives them a psychological edge when/should they meet in finals.

If Pies win without Moore, Daicos and De Goey then you can just about put a line through the Lions. 

We smashed Brisbane late in the home and away season last year and they overran us in the final.

7 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I don't know. They probably are. 

But what about our Swans game.

Just quietly, do we go easier if it means avoiding an interstate final?

I don't think it's called tanking if you lose a game in order to improve the chance to win a premiership in the same season. FWIW we need to do our best to finish above Brisbane as we don't want to play them up there, while an away final in Adelaide doesn't seem as daunting if we get to play the rest of them at the G. If we finish 4th we should play Collingwood in the qualifying, assuming they beat one of Brisbane and Essendon (not a given) to finish minor premiers, but then would likely face one of Brisbane or Port interstate in a Prelim final.

From where he's come from, playing for a team at rock bottom with 3 knee reco's and being busted smoking a dart on the way to training, to taking being a Premiership captain and recognised as once of the best players in the league playing his 200 game this weekend on the eve of another finals campaign. Well done Maxy!

Is anyone having issues with Kayo pausing and buffering. I'm getting a clear 100 Mbps on my internet connection and have absolutely zero issues whatsoever streaming with any other service except for Kayo.

Yes, solid second quarter. Need to keep it up in the second half. Good job boys 💪

Not a bad outcome to only be down by 4 goals given what we served up. Look forward to seeing our response this quarter as we cannot afford to go into half time chasing tail. I trust our team to get the result today.

4 minutes ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

For those with Kayo: On the homepage scroll right down and find the Fox footy live channel

Thanks, I've got sound now but still no video

Kayo is absolute garbage, still not working will have to go to the pub.

Kayo not working. Between buffering and poor video quality and this it is a very substandard product for $25 per month.

The AFL response to this is underwhelming to say the least and the way the AFL media have towed the company line makes me very cynical. I'd love to see a Journo start to ask questions including what was in Port Adelaide's formal response, the role of the AFL marshall in reporting the incident, what will happen if another club does the same thing during finals - will it be a $100k fine or something else.

4 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Excellent article in The Age today from Prof Peter Brukner about being a club doctor. He should know - he was ours for a while. 

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/why-would-you-be-an-afl-club-doctor-20230801-p5dsw0.html  

Thanks La Dee-vina, while it provides some context for the work that club Doctors do I don't see this justify in any way why the Port doctor make a determination that both players were not concussed. Even more bizarre is that the Doctor was able to make a split decision that not only was Jones not concussed but instead had a migraine.

1 hour ago, BDA said:

I don't know which is worse.

Float the rules as this doctor obviously has (and the club). there's a pattern here.

Or claim it was a mistake and prove he is grossly incompetent.

Either way, he should probably lose his job.

BDA, the doctor is one cog in this and while they probably should lose their job and potentially have their medical license suspended, there is a whole line of people including the coaches and football manager who should step in and ensure the players enter the concussion protocol.

Looking at the trouble PWC are in re leveraging confidential information it obtained in advising the ATO on tax while at the same time leveraging the same information to profit by providing companies advice to avoid paying the same tax. In this case none of the Partners challenged what was happening. It seems what happened in Port Adelaide is similar and the sanctions need to be club wide and also address individuals that should have known better and had the ability to speak up or authority to act.

47 minutes ago, monoccular said:

We can already see the AFL's "reaction"...... nothing, sweep under carpet, hope it goes away .... typical.

chookrat - it was stated that the said doctor looked at the footage, the footage we all saw in horror, and said (paraphrasing) "nothing to see here" and let Alir back on.

That is not a mistake - it is either gross incompetence, or gaming the system, probably both.

Monoccular, my statement you highlighted was a general one followed by the sentence below specifically referring to the incident.

"....noting in this case the incident was as clear as day and obvious to anyone who saw the footage that both players should take no further part in the game."

What I'm trying to say is there is some chance that a Doctor may miss an incident but not the one in question.

8 minutes ago, Deeminion said:

The incident was terrible and letting Aliir back on was even worse and they also tried to sneak Jones' subbing off as a migraine and that should be the final nail in the coffin for getting a massive fine.

I think there is some room for a Doctor to make a mistake re concussion, where for some reason they do not see an incident, noting in this case the incident was as clear as day and obvious to anyone who saw the footage that both players should take no further part in the game. The Jones 'migraine' substitution reinforces that the objective was to circumvent concussion protocols.

When it comes to penalties;

1. Considering we were fined $500k for bringing the game into disrepute when we made selection and positional changes to ensure we lost games to finish below a certain ladder position, Port should be fined at least this much for making a mockery of concussion protocols.

2. Because they sought a advantage to win matches by circumventing the protocols the most appropriate penalty should discourage this objective, e.g. taking away premiership points to the value of 2 matches or 8 points.

The AFL need to ensure this doesn't happen again and also include fines for bringing the game into disrepute.

I wouldn't be against rotating 2 - 3 players that could do with a light week but also wouldn't want us to take this game lightly. It's Clarko's first match back and North will likely play with emotion on what is essentially a suburban ground with a howling wind. North will keep us honest and we will need to bring intensity early to control the game and make sure we don't find ourselves playing catchup. Melbourne by 60 - 80 points.

1 minute ago, old dee said:

Anything less  than the loss of premiership points will mean very little to a club like Port. The AFL are facing serious problems with problems from the past to do anything less the loss of points will be bought up in court to show they are still not serious about the problem. Essendrug were forbidden to play in a final series , could this happen to port? You cannot take the points from this game from them as they did not get any.   

I agree Old Dee re docking premiership points, both as a Melbourne supporter who stands a good chance to finish top two and a fair minded person who wants to see concussion protocols as something that should never be circumvented to win a match or have players available the following match in pursuit of on field success.

I reckon a 2 match penalty when a club deliberately circumvents concussion protocols graded to a $50k fine where they accidentally miss something they should have picked up, e.g. 8 premiership points, which reverses an advantage a club would obtain for the duration of the two week protocol. I'm not sure what the penalty should be for this during the finals, treating the match as a loss/forfeit and points for the following season is probably the most straightforward penalty for a deliberate act.

I think Port being ruled out of finals all together is probably a bit unnecessary to avoid this happening in the future. No club will try this on of they stand to lose 8 premiership points or forfeit a final and lose points for the following season.

Also re the calls to have independent doctors assessing concussion, I think this has potential to create it's own problems and as long as the penalty is suitable I think club doctors can manage all injuries including concussion tests. Someone here mentioned that our club have always used the medical sub to the letter of the law (unlike some other clubs) and I think with appropriate sanctions all clubs will take concussion protocols seriously and not as a source of comparative advantage.

If we finish 3rd I doubt we will play Brisbane away unless Port are docked premiership points for concussion-gate, we lose to Carlton and Brisbane win all of their remaining matches.

There is probably a case that failing to run Aliir Aliir through the concussion protocols, could in isolation be seen as a mistake, but combined with Lachie Jones being subbed out with a 'migraine', only for both players to show concussion symptoms on the Monday cannot possibly be a mistake but a deliberate act to circumvent the AFL's concussion protocols. This is a very serious matter.

The questions that come to mind are:

1. How will Port Adelaide explain this to the AFL.

2. What sanctions will the AFL impose on Port Adelaide. I don't think fines will cut it and I don't believe draft sanctions are appropriate given their impact os delayed. Docking premiership points makes sense given their immediate impact and that they directly address the short term incentive to play concussed players, noting I'm not sure the penalty if a club does this during finals.

3. Will the medical regulator review the Doctors medical registration. I'm not sure the should be trusted to advise people on medical matters.

4. Is this something WorkSafe could get involved in or is this too low level, without sufficient legislative cover, for them to get involved in.

6 hours ago, Supreme_Demon said:

I just thought we need to acknowledge how special a player Max Gawn is for the Melbourne Demons. Our Premiership Captain.

His 2nd half against Richmond yesterday was incredible.

Check the statistics. They are very impressive!

Is he still a sneaky chance of making it into this year's All Australian team in 2023?

It should also be noted he is getting close to reaching 200 games for the Demons now (finally)!

What an amazing player Max Gawn is. 

Gotta love big Maxy!

He only had 6 touches to half time.

I reckon a condition of entry to an AFL match should be to undertake a quiz re holding the ball rule. The Richmond supporters would literally call "Ball!" every time one of our players were tackled.

13 minutes ago, BDA said:

The HTB call in the goal square was harsh as well. I wouldn’t have been happy if a call like that went against us

It's a steep price, but he finded off and flopped to the ground and then held the ball in. Kossie earned the free from his pressure.

How good are Collingwood in discovering Howe as an intercept defender and then trying him as a forward. You never know what you may find playing someone out of position - very brave of them!

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

aints have gone with $1 for 3 games

In fairness $1 is probably fair value for the product they are selling.