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Only if clubs don't play fair. Also, I think it is up to each club to set up programs and resources in their zone, identify the talent and develop it. If we do that well and get a good reputation up there then we can make a strong case for keeping players in our zone if there is ever a dispute.

I wasn't too clear, I guess. I didn't mean to say all players should have done extras, more that losing Jackson was a huge loss in helping players build their strength and conditioning at whatever level their fitness/rehab allowed them at different stages in the pre-season and in season.

fwiw, I reckon a key reason for our fitness problems this year was losing Rob Jackson early in the 2019 pre-season. In the preceding years I recall a number of our players did extra work at his gym. In the 2018 pre-season there were a lot of mfc articles about the extra work players did. Don't recall such articles in the 2019 pre-season. That may or may not have anything to do with Rob Jackson leaving but he left a gaping hole at the club and the way 2019 played out I'm not sure we ever filled it.

Dr Dan Bates was the replacement for our '20 year experience' doctors who left in in 2011. Dr Z Dr Zeeshan Arain started in 2013 after Dr Bates resigned for involving MFC with the shady S Danks. I'm not saying Dr Arain has or hasn't the required experience just noting that he did not replace the doctor(s) who left with Misson's arrival in 2011. At this stage we don't know what Dr Brunkner's role is or whether Dr Arain will stay with the club. So it may be a bit early to say his appointment is a mistake.

Just catching up with this thread and did some checking on the Melbourne linked players named there in. iirc allocation to a zone depends on where a player lives/plays junior footy. Martin plays for South Alice and Lowe for Federal (Alice Springs) so it can be assumed they live in our Alice NGA zone so I would think we retain drafting rights. Moniz-Wakefield plays for Nightcliff, a suburb of Darwin. It is unclear if he lives in GCS's Darwin zone or in our Alice zone (probably Darwin as Nightcliff is a long way from Alice) so his family may have moved to Darwin. So its unclear which club he will be attached to. To me this highlights one of the problems of the NT NGA zoning. If a club identifies a player they like it would be quite easy for that club to re-locate the player and some family to their NGA zone, especially if near an NGA zone boundary. Its ripe for manipulation by the less scrupulous clubs...I believe this happened here in the days of VFL zones! As it is the AFL has had to rule on some players GWS have claimed as Academy players because of the lack of clarity on how a player is allocated to a zone.

Thank you. Bulldogs got 2 first round picks for losing Kate Brennan and another player to start up clubs. Last year we lost several players to start up clubs and got nothing picks. And it seems wrong to give up a second round pick for Sheriff. I would have thought our last pick in the draft would be more appropriate, if any as we used the Daisy comp pick for her last year. Like you I'm not optimistic of finals, especially if the AFL use the silly Conference system again and we end up in the difficult side like last year.

Our first pick is #54 in round 3. Does anyone know what happened to our 1st and 2nd round picks?

List updated for departure of Stretch and Kennedy-Harris. That gives us 5 vacancies on the senior list. Based on new info I have updated the footnote and vacant spots. We now have 35 senior players, 4 'A' Rookies and 1 'B' Rookie. We can only have a total of 44 Senior + 'A' Rookies. At this stage I've made a working assumption that we will have 44 players and fill all the Senior spots. On that basis we can't add more 'A' Rookies. However, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't fill all 40 senior spots and we draft at least one Rookie (or upgrade an existing Rookie to the Senior List). Half our list is OOC next year - our contract staff will be very busy!

Anyone know the basis for selecting the names listed in the op? We have half our list OOC next year. The above named players plus: Our contract staff will be very busy!

I fully understand why we recruited Langdon and Tomlinson and the benefit to the midfield. The context of the post, you omitted important parts of, challenged the concept that TOG = hard running. Jay gave no evidence to support that premise. And, I suspect a fair part of Tomlinson's TOG was not in the midfield, eg defence where 88%-95% of TOG is common. To me it was a flaky article. As I said in my earlier post, endurance and hard running will come from fitness and attitude. Sure Tomlinson and Langdon may give other mids a minute or two more 'resting' time per game but if their fitness and attitude doesn't improve it won't help us one iota in two-way running and running out quarters/games.

Thanks for the summary. I can't see the article so not sure if I've read your post correctly: Is there anytime frame over which the 3 players TOG % were calculated? Does Jay realise the difference between 86% and 84% is about 2 minutes a game ie 30 seconds a quarter! Also not sure why Jay thinks there is some correlation between % TOG and hard running. Someone could spend 100% TOG and not move an inch. Seems a fairly meaningless stat. iirc our mids were usually on field for about 80% of games, except Viney which is a little more than 3 quarters. I think Tomlinson and Langdon will be big pluses for our midfield but they will replace players who also had high TOG like, Stretch, ANB, Hunt etc so not sure about the keep us fresher for longer part. The only way to do that is to get fitter and work harder.. Think Jay is drawing a long bow.

Games played now included ?

It wasn't the possibility of 'tampering' that I was highlighting. It is that imv Carlton can simply not be trusted to keep their word.

Your point is valid as part of the AFL assistance package GCS were given rights to their Academy players without using any draft picks. This is as good as more first and second round draft picks for them so they wouldn't use Carlton's 2020 picks offered enabling them to reject the paltry offer they made for Martin.

Can't trust them.

^ your post is correct @DeeSpencer

If he goes into the National draft I reckon GCS will let him go rather than use a round 1 pick and we won't take him either. If he goes into the PSD and GCS draft him he has to sign for two years so the next years FA status lapses. It is then active at the end of 2021. If he is drafted by GCS in the PSD and he refuses to play for them he sits out of the AFL for two years. Not sure if he then goes into the draft or he is still a player that GCS can trade. If GCS are adamant about drafting him his best bet is to sign a one year contract with them. So in 2020 he will be an FA, can go to the club of his choice and GCS get a compensation pick. Hope that clarifies it a little.

Martin has the option of going into the National Draft and picked up by the first bidder which won't be Carlton. If he goes into the PSD and GCS take draft him he will have two choices: Sign for two years (the minimum term) and then ask to be traded next year. Not sign, sit out a year and nominate the club of his choice in 2020. GCS get zip. He is probably better off signing a one-year deal with GCS and leave as an FA next year, even if he plays the year in the NEAFL. GCS seem up for a fight and I reckon they will bid for him in the PSD - they have nothing to lose.

I don't think so. The best offer Carlton made was their 2020 2nd (30+) and 3rd round(50+) picks. An insult really. Useless picks to GCS in 2020 as it is highly compromised. Also, if Carlton made the same contract offer to Martin next year when he is an FA, GCS would get a first or mid first round pick eg 2/3 or 10 as an FA comp pick. It is a similar situation with us and May last year - we had to give a higher trade than the market warranted because GCS would have had pick 2 this year as an FA comp pick. I thought GCS's starting point of pick 9 and for 15 and Martin +/- bits and pieces, was reasonable. Sydney may probably have taken 15 +/- bits and pieces for Papley. Carlton tried to shaft GCS and missed out on both players. They could also have had Butler with a late pick but missed out on him too because they were busy trying to shaft GCS and because their football manager and list manager publicly disagreed on whether they wanted him. They may get Martin in the PSD by default but their trading reputation is shot. Not sure players and their managers will be so quick to nominate them. Destination club? Doubt it! GCS may lose Martin for zip but they have taken a stand against offers that are insulting ala Carlton's for Martin. Good on them.

Thanks for the correction. Updating the games takes a bit of time so will do over the weekend. In the meantime the latest figures are here https://www.melbournefc.com.au/Team/players/senior

giants-still-hunting-for-topfive-pick-despite-trade-period-lockout "There have been offers made for it {pick 3}, but at the moment we haven't had anything that's satisfied us," Melbourne footy boss Josh Mahoney said on Wednesday. "Have we been offered two first-round picks for it? No." Its been stated several times on DL that Mahoney rejected that offer. Does anyone have a quote where he actually said we have been offered and have rejected GWS's two first-rounders (pick 6 and their 2020 first round)? Or has that just been media speculation? I'm a bit worried that we may consider that deal if it is offered ?. Definitely wouldn't like to see that trade. Pick 3 to the Draft!

I would do that. Back ourselves to have a good year. But I suspect Bell just can't get his head around two first rounders for one despite the clear benefits for them.

Updated for Draft picks. Does anyone have an update on Bradtke's contract status. I expect that we will keep him.

I don't know much about him or if he passes the NDH test. But we reportedly had some interest in him a few weeks ago so I assume he passes (or perhaps he didn't pass so we lost interest). He is still available as a Delisted Free Agent and we have the list spots. Or we can get him as a rookie in the supplementary draft that goes from Dec-Mar.

I went on to say he wouldn't even tho it could work well for them. Ego is his problem.