Willmoy1947

How to maggotorize a good game in the last two minutes. Number 22 again and was No 15 there as well?

Viney tagged. 

Oliver tagged and kept off the ball unpenalised

Kossie heavily tagged.

The AFL are almost as gutless as the act itself.

Wonder which number 1 recruit  will be the protected species for this game from start to finish.

Must not forget numbers 23 and 15. We must get one of them..

1 hour ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Fantastic ... fun times MT!  Some very creative people around in that era.  Alot of free spirits came out of the 60s and comtinued that into the 70s

Dunno about "free' and the music was fantastic.

3 hours ago, monoccular said:

Clarry gets pinged a microsecond after being tackled even if he gets a handball away.  CFC (both of them) get an eternity, then throw it or drop it - play on. 
MFCSS kicking in hard. 

TWSNBN and Carlton best exponents at this. There is another one as well, someone must have said to both those teams that they have a free hand to tackle above the shoulder indiscriminately and not get pinged

5 hours ago, MT64 said:

I think you mean the Northern stand. In the 60's we were behind the Richmond end goals.

I didn't think from my memory the Northern end had seats. I thought it was standing room only, on cans.

3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Gold Coast,  3 games in 12 days,  2 in 5 days in Darwin's oppressive heat, this one against 2nd on the ladder??

Did i read that right?

I was assured on 'Land that you can't possibly win these games?... due to bodgie fixturing

Does sort of make one feel this factor of fatigue might not be all the problem

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

umpires double down on scott's cats with 14-25 free kick count

must've really upset them

Yep, i noticed No 23 had to go all the way up to Darwin, and they had him in the game just before.

Seems as though no bias, just payback..

3 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

shirley we want the peptides to finish top 4 and then bow out in straight sets?

There would have to be a complete change of all Field Umpiring Personnel.

5 hours ago, A Bit Of Biff said:

Interesting artical by Leigh Matthews

 

https://wwos.nine.com.au/afl/news-2024-leigh-matthews-jimmy-bartel-revive-rules-review-committee-to-resolve-umpiring-issues/05cc9f4b-5f53-4a6b-98f8-9e9421593d2c

 

Didn't realise the rules committee was no more

So nobody listens to us and everyone listens to (Geelong) them

Presumably they are harder done by than us.(joke)

Why does MFC have to overcome their opponent as well as  every week a barrage of poor bias decisions and try to win each game every week, and it doesn't matter who we play, and  then carry on as if there is nothing going on?

Very poor sportsmanship on behalf of all umpires if that is the case?

2 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Did Laura Kane meet with Simon Goodwin? Or are we too insignificant?? 

I am sure if the Pies or Blues or Bombers copped the shocking decisions like MFC copped, they’d be meeting with the AFL bosses 

Do we lack the squeaky wheel Chris Scott syndrome!!! 

Geelong Coach met the AFL today about his outburst against maggots after game. Not our Coach just him and the hierarchy.

7 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Having just watched the replay its astounding how many times:

• Carlton players get tackled and simply drop the ball (looks like an instruction)
• Cripps throws the ball without penalty
• Cripps and Walsh are allowed to turn more than 360 deg before disposing of the ball

The free against Max for hotting the ball OOB when it was Pittonet was disgraceful

As was:

Bowey being pinged for Deliberate  when he was pushed in his side as he was kicking

The JVR tackle when Hollands was rewarded for throwing his head into the turf

Curnow pushing May into the pack before taking a chest mark and goaling. It seems In the back is a forgotten rule

Chopping the arms is paid maybe 1 in 5 times

An appalling umpiring evening.

 

As for us.

Fritsch is my most frustrating player. As good as he is he has very little intensity and can barely lay a tackle at times If only he had some JV mongrel

Petty  is way out of sorts. zero disposals 8m into the 3rd qtr. Weitering had 12. WTF?

 

Our goal kicking hasn't improved (but Tracc has improved his). When Tracc was heavily tagged there was not help for him

The umpires hate Clarry. Gets pinged for HTB and throwing while Cripps is Marine Boy with a 10m forcefield around him

Pittonet never looks at the ball. He only looks at Max. That should be an instant free.

At ball ups around the ground the Umps even said stand 1m apart. The players ignore them. Why do they selectively apply rules?

We were cleaned up with their slickness around the centre bounce. 5 goals straight out of the middle. They kicked the first goal of each quarter. Why can't we come out breathing fire?

Cripps and Walsh had over 70 damaging disposals between them. You could have written that script. We could not combat them

We struggled to clear the ball from our d50 while they waltzed out of ours

Billings is a poor decision maker. he is this year's Jordon. Stop and prop.

Woey was really good when he came on.

Sparrow was good when he moved to the middle but did turn it over a bit

And for newman not to get suspended when Kozzie has been done twice for the same thing shows me how corrupt the AFL and MRO really are.

Best post i have read since the start of the season. It has summed up our year so far with consistency of the worst kind.

Everyone tries to deny what's going on here but it is rather plain on face looking stuff. We are actually prevented from starting well because what happens is the game flow is dictated to purposely to  prevent us from doing so.

Free kicks of one kind in the first qtr, like paying pushing in the back or holding the ball will change in the second qtr to throwing the ball and not holding marks, and so on and so on until the last qtr, where there will be no holding the ball at all and waiting until the opposition get out of congestion and kick to another of their players inside the fifty, or worse no review of anything until the painfully inevitable stage of a dubious free. I am at the stage in games with us that i wait for the free to them in the last minute or the rule of a free against us.

By the way it is not only US this weekend. GWS in particular were given a raw deal in the last qtr by umps, and we know who they played.So too were Adelaide tonight and St Kilda.

How many games a week are  there decisions made where the view of all the umpires is incidentally obstructed, or not picked up for one reason or another. I think in those circumstances the usual procedure is to call a stoppage.

I'm thinking there should be instantaneous contact with co umpires in a box just as we do now for decisions regarding scoring and where these umpires with better views than those umpires on the ground observe infringement particularly on the periphery, and in the incident itself, notify the umpire (not sure which one) and award against the infringement.

Hopefully this can be done seamlessly.

20 hours ago, Jibroni said:

They took there chances and a functioning forward line, hence on the night they were the better team. The overall statistics are no different to last year's final so either Carlton know how to play us or we are not learning.

that narrows it down....

20 hours ago, Satan said:

The Match Review Officer graded the incident as careless conduct, low impact and high contact, drawing a $3750 fine ($2500 with an early plea).

Newman's teammate Lachie Cowan was also fined $3125 for striking Neal-Bullen in the second quarter, with that incident graded as careless conduct, low impact and body contact. Cowan can accept a $1875 fine with an early plea.
 

so bad i posted this elsewhere

Sounds like they get brown paper bags for certain deeds

20 hours ago, Redleg said:

 

Even the Carlton player thought it was play on< i wonder why?

It could be that prior to start of match Voss was briefed at what was going to be the emphasis.

21 hours ago, Jibroni said:

While the free against JVR was bizarre there were also decisions that went against Carlton. 

The constant need to blame umpires when we lose a close game is just bizarre. We did not deserve to win that game and in the end the better team won. If not for Petracca we would have lost by 5 goals.

 

Not every team that is down by 5|6 goals deserves to lose

21 hours ago, Clintosaurus said:

Reality is it is sports entertainment now and HQ are in profit maximisation mode, so $$$$$ generating teams like Collingwood, Sydney and Carlton will get a better run than other teams. Carlton Collingwood GF would generate massive revenues, even if everyone else would rather the stadium implode.

Maybe our Club thinks that generating membership and consequent crowds is the way to minimise bias umpiring.

23 hours ago, Go the Biff said:

I'm not a conspiracy theorist when it comes to umpires. But I agree that some individuals appear to be adjudicated differently to the majority. 

I've long thought that Cripps is a protected species 

Any bloke that gets brought back to Australia for Brownlow night is protected alright.

10 hours ago, Skuit said:

Can we make this a weekly thread? With the "not why we lost" or I'm not a conspiracy theorist" but . . . proviso. 

What about a "we withdraw our services thread" As i understand all clubs have to participate in each years fixture?

1 hour ago, D4Life said:

As soon as #22 turns up, you know where not getting any 50/50s it’s like 10 vs 90!

But it wasn’t umpires that cost us the game, it was a combination of Carlton starting hot, playing very well , and the ball falling in their laps in first quarter. 

Free kick total for 1st Qtr incidental?

Just one more thing.... Eddy Maguire interviewed the new appointed AFL Head of Umpires. An ex Umpire and police Officer. My father was a decorated Police Officer just to show no bias from me. But you cannot go around espousing to the Football Public what the "NEW" mantra of the umpiring fraternity three nights before a shambles.

It was two words INTEGRITY and IMPARTIALITY, and he repeated it many times in the interview.

6 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

It's a coaches prerogative to over ride P.A.

Yes you may upset the apple cart in a team sense but every coach in the AFL would know the odds of winning a game from 3, 4 and 5 goals (to zip) down in the first half.  6 is basically kiss the game goodbye territory against anyone accept the worst rated clubs.

Even after three goals, you simply have to close the gate and try and shut the game down in then hope that you can wrestle it  back on your terms.

Max needed to hang in there until we wrestled back some composure and clearances through the middle.

The odds of comming back and winning from about 4 down (early in a match) are very slim at AFL level, something like 10% - 15%. 

From 5 & 6 goals down you're pretty much toast unless playing someone like the Eagles (at their worst), North or the Tigers (when they were at the peak of  being decimated by injuries as per when we played them).

To take your best and only genuine ruckman off after going three goals down early is tantamount to handing them the game on a platter.  And that's what we did.

Also where was the review with Max (at any stage up to and including the half time break), to show him that hitting the ball directly forward at CBs was mostly ending up in the hands of thier defensive sweeper?

Not as often but also happened around ground on occasions.

The sweeper then either ran around and kicked quickly into their 50 or got a quick handball over to Walsh or Cripps over the top who did same.

We also allowed Cripps to run out the front of stoppages far too often, which is a well known trait of his.  The old footy adage ... "Don't get beaten by what you know" applies here.  The Pies did a great job of stiffling Cripps in this area last week.  What happened to us?  Did we not learn and practice or set up for this during the week?

So much interference, holding and obstructing off the ball. Didn't seem to matter in the first 3 qtrs. Then in last qtr we got too close for comfort and Carlton would have slipped out of the Eight.