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Jackson, Weideman, M Brown and Daw all out this year decimates our key depth. Will need to pick up a cheap ruck back-up in case Gawn or Grundy go down.

13, F1 and F2 (north 19 - 24) for Jackson and F2 (30-36 and F3 (48-54) seems reasonable to me. Gives freo an extra future 2nd so they can trade it for Sharp. They may want to use North's for that however. Maybe we will trade our future 1st plus Bedford for 12 or 15 from GWS (assuming they still have it) or Bedford plus North's future 2nd for 19. Probably wishful thinking but they have an extraordinary amount of 1st round picks and may wish to invest in next years draft.

High hopes for JVR and Turner to be semi-permanent fixtures in the side. Need to see more of the others but think Howes and Laurie should be pushing for senior games with Chandler perhaps having a similar year to Bedford as borderline best 22 and spending multiple weeks as the sub. Woewodin may push but can see him developing at Casey for another year. AMW is a clean one touch player but can't see him cracking into the side next year unless he significantly lifts his production and consistency at VFL level.

We're not getting all that unfortunately. Absolute best we can hope for is 2 x first rounders and a 2nd (north or freo) with us giving back a future 2nd and 3rd.

My point wasn't so much about Laurie and Bowey being our definitive targets, more that there's not enough evidence to suggest Holmes was our number 1 man (which he may well have been). This is the article I was referencing before that gives a good rundown on the trades and targets behind the scenes. https://www.afl.com.au/news/533681/cals-draft-feature Here ist mentions Adelaide offered us 18 and 28 for our back to back picks in which the crows would have selected Laurie. This would have put us in prime position to take Holmes (or Angwin or Macrae) but means we would not get the opportunity to draft either Laurie or Bowey later with perhaps 28 being used on Rosman. We have clearly weighed up the possibilities and decided that a Bowey/Laurie combination is better than Holmes/Rosman. Maybe we were hoping for a Holmes/Bowey combo but clearly aware of the risk of being trumped and were happy bringing in Bowey and Laurie in this event. Anyway I think I've said all I want on the topic and digressed enough from the Grundy thread. Here's hoping Laurie kicks on and Grundy is traded for 27.

Did you watch the video? Tim Lamb is literally on the phone asking if Richmond had traded the pick to Carlton while Taylor and Goodwin are affirming our selections of Bowey and Laurie prior to the trade happening with Geelong. I'm sure we accounted multiple scenarios and pre-draft, but I don't see how anyone can say with any authority that we missed our targets after watching this video. You'd have to be on the recruiting team to say for certain.

There was some media speculation that we were keen on Holmes, however the draft video clearly refers to Bowey and Laurie as the two kids we were after as the best decision makers and kicks in the draft. Bowey and Laurie were mentioned by Taylor and Goodwin just prior to the Geelong trade, approximately 1 minute in the video below.

I'd be tempted to buck our trend of trading future firsts into the current draft and save the currency for Finn Callaghan who's out of contract next year. GWS are going to continue to bleed players, time for us to cash in.

That sounds vaguely familiar. Just checked and the page count on Hogan currently stands at 484

Have we surpassed the length of the Hogan thread yet?

Ah my bad, I was referring to Cadman rather than Ginbey. I do recall you mentioning earlier in the year about us talking to Ginbey prior to the champs. Our talent spotters really are on the ball.

Whitfield would be outstanding but doubt we have the salary cap space for his estimated 800k-1mil salary after bringing in Grundy.

Would have though WC would want far more for pick 2.

Love these titbits mate. Really want this kid but can't see it happening unless we can really work our way up into the top 5.

Would have him in a heartbeat if possible.

Sounds like a reference to Georgiades.

Few permutations could come out of Bowes to Geelong. -Geelongs incoming 7 to freo for 13 and kangas future 2nd -Freos 7 and future first to Melbourne for Jackson Geelong will then have 13, 18 and kangas future 2nd which should facilitate deals for Bruhn and Henry easy enough, even if they throw their future 1st back to Suns. Depends if they want to take 7 to the draft or not I guess.

Random hypothetical that has no basis in reality.

Interesting from Brisbane as well. Slight downgrade in points this year which doesn't help them for f/s prospects and now no first rounder this year for Dunkley either.

Won't be pick 19 sadly. If 31 comes through for Hopper I would be working towards that.

Cal stating we are "anticipated" to use only 2 picks on the national draft and will offer 27 to the pies for Grundy. Swap key for Pies star, Sun settles on new home, Dees' hard bargain - https://www.afl.com.au/news/854362

Interesting article https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/grundy-to-take-pay-cut-when-he-signs-with-demons-20221003-p5bmvw.html Collingwood’s All-Australian ruckman Brodie Grundy has signalled that he will take a pay cut when he becomes a Melbourne player in the coming days. Collingwood want a pick inside 25 for the 2018-19 All-Australian. He had signed a seven-year deal (before he became a free agent) in 2020 that would pay him an average between $920,000-$950,000 with the Demons picking up the lion’s share of the five-year deal, which is understood to be lower in the final two years. Also Melbourne have out-of-contract forward Toby Bedford, who has asked to be traded to GWS. Discussions on Monday centred around a deal for a pick in the third round. The Demons could also potentially offer Bedford and their pick 33 to GWS for pick 21, an exchange that would bring in a suitable pick to do the Grundy deal. More information in the article but thought these bits were particularly interesting.

We're turning over the list which is what a lot of people on here want. Hope we are smart about it though as Jackson, Hunt and Harmes were for the most part best 22 this year. Can't see Baker surviving either so I wonder if we do have a cheap depth player in sight rather than drafting 5-6 kids.