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My answer is to go overnight in a multi or take an early double as part of a treble. For instance, at Meydan (Dubai) I had Cross Counter & Almond Eye in a double (both horses won so I won with combined odds of 5-1) but I also did a treble with both horses along with Rey De Oro in a later race ... Rey De Oro didn't win so I missed on the treble but I did get the earlier double - and I wasn't tempted to cash-out either because I'd already won on the double. Silly me ignored 'Old Persian' in the Rey De Oro race looking for better odds - another lesson learned! That's how I like to do multi's Wadda ... it's all about getting collects along the way in my book. I reckon there's some money to be made just doing doubles too. Again, we've gone 2 from 3 a number of times already on the MB thread. And we've often been sitting on 2 from 2 (early) a stack of times on the racing multi. Get the early double and then you're playing with house money is what I'm gleaning with the combined multi.

Waking up and winning is a great way to go Wadda ... I'm highly superstitious too so whatever works must be adhered to going forward. No messin' with a winning formula! I can't even watch the races a lot of the time (unless it is a big Group 1 race) ... the wireless is the go. Serves me well too as I got a few winners at Meydan & Sha Tin over the weekend as well. The combined collect of 20-1 is very good odds looked at in isolation ... 1 or 2 bankers coupled with 1 or 2 value picks seems ideal too. As always, you need some luck as well so it's not all scientific.

Yeah well done fellas ... decent collect too @ 20-1. Be nice to get on a roll now.

Here's the 3pick ... Bundesliga Monday 3.00am $1.95 Eintracht Frankfurt Win & +2.5 Goals Match Score vs VfB Stuttgart Serie A 12.00am Sunday night Roma v Napoli Napoli win & +2.5 goals match score $3.40 French Ligue 1 Monday at 02:00 Nantes v Lille ... Lille Win $2.50 With the help of an odds boost the combo can deliver 19-1 Good luck all!

Monday Special Bundesliga Monday 3.00am $1.95 Eintracht Frankfurt Win & +2.5 Goals Match Score vs VfB Stuttgart

Best Bet Strike Rate 110: 45 - 14 - 15 Australian Group & Listed Races

Cross Counter wins the 3200m Dubai World Cup in impressive style ... all the talk pre-race was about the horses' victory in the Melbourne Cup and how the Cup was such a great barometer. All class was Cross Counter. The talk now is l'arc de Triomphe for the horse which adds further to the lustre of the Melbourne Cup as a truly international race. Some tremendous racing to come tonight including a few Aussie horses in the sprint (Brave Smash, Viddora & Illustrious Lad) Culminating in the Dubai Turf & the Dubai World Cup to close the meeting.

I should get crook more often Wadda ... ended up taking the 2 best bets for the win in another multi so that's a nice collect considering I got $13 for the win on Mister Sea Wolf as well as $4.50 for Mosh Music. Vaguely remember @binman throwing it into the trifecta that we used to do and it has a great record first up Hope you blokes got similar collects

Past the worst of it thanks Wadda - still a bit proppy but a few more days of rest should do the trick. Starting to feel my age ... no longer bullet-proof, that's for sure! 3 lots of anti-biotics has knocked me around. Anyway, good luck with the multi fellas ... best bets for the place seems quite a sensible move given how tough the fields are tomorrow. I took Mosh Music for the place & the win in 2 separate multi's.

Best Bet Rosehill Race 8 No.1 Mister Sea Wolf $4.00 (Place)

Count me out for a bit both here and on the ADATR thread ... got the flu bad and resting up

Best Bet Rosehill Race 6 No.2 Avilius $3.60

Not to worry Wadda ... from my point of view getting a multi up is always a complete surprise. Even just the 3 legs. So I don't do many of them for that reason. And I figure we may as well look for some value in the picks as well ... thus, I took a chance on Barca +3.5 instead of +2.5. But there again, it is Barca and they nearly always perform to expectations. It was possibly a trap game for Juve (in hindsight) but you play the game again and they probably win 3-1 Multi's are hard to get ... they get heavily promoted by the betting agencies for good reason. The lure of the big payout for a tiny outlay is like bees to the honeypot!

There are a stack of Australian horses racing up at HK with the latest winner of a big event being a good case-in-point. Ex Australian galloper Furore wins the HK Derby in style with Hugh Bowman on board. And with the relaxed quarantine laws there's sure to be more Australian representation as the prize money is fantastic up there yet the local standard often doesn't measure up. In fact, 6 of the 14 starters in the HK Derby started their career's in Australia. Our jockeys are cashing in up there as well.

I usually put my bets on way in advance but the issue arose when I attempted to place a multi bet on close to the first leg being run. Might have been 20 - 30 minutes prior. I actually thought I was doing something wrong until I read your account ... previously, the Laddies site has crashed or has become treacle slow. And I ended up getting 21-1 for our multi ... Juve has drifted out to 2.88. Makes a big difference to the overall with just a .30-.40 percentage point swing.

Similar thing happened to me recently ... repeated the process for the 3rd time before the balance changed. They have got an obvious glitch in their system. Same situation - multi bet

Here is the tri -pick Serie A Sunday 10.30pm Genoa v Juventus / Juventus Win and +2.5 $2.63 Spain La liga Monday 6.45am Real Betis vs Barcelona (Win) and +3.5 $2.88 Portugal Primeira Liga Monday at 04:30 Moreirense FC v Benfica Benfica Win & Over 2.5 match goals. $2.20 Adds up to around about 17-1 (with a boost) Good luck all!

Weekend Special Spain La liga Monday 6.45am Real Betis vs Barcelona (Win) and +3.5 $2.88

Hong Kong Derby tomorrow with former Australian galloper 'Dark Dream' installed as 2nd favourite. The winner should come from the top 4 listed runners. Here is the form for the race And here is the replay of the Coolmore Classic raced today at Rosehill.

Best Bet Strike Rate 103: 41 - 14 - 14 Australian Group & Listed Races

Slight correction to Gator's tips ... he missed on race 3. I think I was counting one of JJ's earlier tips in the mix. But if Gator or JJ have a good day I win as well. I only back their value runners though ... gotta be paying at least 3.50 or better. JJ also tipped me into Lucky Flipper ($6.50) in race 6 but I missed on Light the Waves ($4.00) in race 7 as the horse opened at $3.00 but drifted. Good get with Fifty Stars too Wadda ... I threw it into a couple of late multi's but dipped out. Not to worry though as I had a decent day at the races. And we might have the heir apparent to Winx with Mystic Journey ... well, the next dominant horse at least. A commanding performance in the All Star Mile. Beat some gun horses yet was 3-wide without cover for much of the race. Cost $11k as a yearling.

The first horse listed is the horse he marks on top Wadda As such in race 5 ... 3, 7, 2, 5 Here are the rest of his tips

Gator has picked the winner in races 2, 3, 4 & 5 ... all value picks too Needless to say, I'm now playing with house money!

Big breaking news re the All Star Mile Three All-Star Mile contenders in doubt, 'Le Romain' and possibly 'Trap for Fools' poised to get a start Meanwhile, here's JJ's best bet at Morphettville Race 8 No.2 Master Chum $5.50 I'll try and post up his tips late Saturday morning but failing that, go to Racing.com after 10.00am Saturday for his tips. And here are Gator's tips for Flemington this coming Saturday

Best Bet Flemington Race 8 No.11 Alizee $4.00