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Yeah, well done!! 164 years is a reasonable wait for a major trophy!! Although, winning the Championship or Division 2 x 8 are also achievements especially for a non-big club My Hammers for instance have a similar record ... more knock out trophies as such but nonetheless, any sort of trophy is hard earned So Palace have now earned a spot in the Europa league for next season ... which is another trophy worth fighting for Speaking of which ... Tottenham & Man Utd go at it for the Europa League trophy at 5.00am on Thursday

What is noticeable is that our players that are better by foot have a higher ratio of kicks to handpasses as compared to those who have previously been prone to bombing it long (or rushing their kicks forward) So Oliver, Petracca, Sparrow, Langdon, Rivers, Viney & Gawn are all handpassing the ball a lot more along with using the short pass a lot more Kicks/Handpass ratio for those players who have excellent kicking skills (against the Lions) Overall Kicks/Handpasses 228/142 (Total for the team) Kozzie 14/7 Melk 11/0 Salem 17/3 Lindsay 14/5 Langford 11/8 T-Mac 12/4 May 14/1 McVee 11/2 Petty 8/2 Fritsch 5/2 Windsor 6/0 Chandler 7/4 Those in and around the midfield are sharing the ball a lot more either by hand or by short passes Oliver 8/15 Petracca 13/18 Gawn 12/10 Langdon 10/15 Rivers 14/10 Sparrow 9/7 Bowey 12/10 The buy-in to playing short ball (or small ball) as opposed to rushing kicks forward (or long bombs) by our midfielders is at last starting to happen For those who were looking for the new game plan, it's starting to evolve But whether we can consistently adhere to sharing the ball more remains to be seen (even against the Eagles we had 70 turnovers often caused by errant kicks forward) That one extra handpass can often diminish the chances of the need to rush kicks forward (or the long bomb) ... to do that requires all the players to do that extra bit of running at pace (to provide the option)

For those following the Giro d'Italia, the last week is brutal (Sun Stage 15 - Sat Stage 20) ... no fewer than 9 Category 1 climbs along with 12 other categorised climbs in a 6 day stretch (Monday is a rest day) But the riders are in the mountains on Stage 7 (Fri) Stage 8 (Sat) & Stage 11 (next Wed) Roglic is favoured to win from Ayuso, Yates & Storer

Good point Pennant, but maybe the MC want to see that side of his footy all the time? Especially from the get-go We've seen Viney turn his season around once we re-designed his role (tagging and run with) ... and Petracca just needed to regain his confidence again (that's happening) Gawn has lifted big time and Rivers is using the ball really well now instead of bombing it. As are a number of others But that's just the footballing side of things The MH issues that Clarrie is battling is a completely different story of which we know very little about ... and the media should be observing his privacy right now. They observe that privacy with other players To be fair, it's only a few in the media acting up (this time)

From a footballing point of view Clarrie's best game in terms of being a team player and getting back to his old self was against Fremantle Didn't bomb it long and his stats read as 5 kicks & 20 handpasses. I felt his game took a big step in the right direction Against Richmond a few long bombs returned and he ended up on the bench for 24% of the time (9 kicks & 13 handpasses) So the break could also be form related but Clarrie has obviously got some issues where privacy should be observed I wish him well and hope he is back playing footy sooner rather than later

@hardtack 4 to 5 years can make such a difference with regards to what we appreciate in a band. For instance, I loved (and still love) a lot of the music from the early 60's to the early 70's but primarily the hits from that time I was too young to be into alternative bands or even progressive rock from that time. Just the hits So the first music from Fleetwood Mac that I got into was the Rumours album. I'd heard of them of course but didn't know a lot about their earlier music I remember years ago we had a similar conversation about Steely Dan ... you were into their early music whilst I got on board with Aja & The Royal Scam in the mid 70's So here's a couple from Steely Dan from their early days

We made the switch in the Freo game where the MC decided to have less players around the ball (or at the contest) ... thus, more players in the actual forward line (that need to be manned up of course) I saw one bit of vision in that game (that was highlighted) where we had 6 forwards each with an opponent but what was noticeable was that all 6 forwards seemed to be equidistant from each other As an aside, just 3 weeks ago many of us were concerned that Viney was becoming a bit of a liability but since he has been assigned as a tagger, he has turned his season around and is now playing very well

Here's a couple of tracks from the classic album by Fleetwood Mac (Rumours) Firstly, one of the better opening tracks and a real party starter (back in the day!) Followed by another track that is now used by the BBC as an introduction to their F1 coverage

The new-look forward line (mostly medium) looks far more dangerous than how it looked earlier in the season What stands out is how less crowded we look up forward but that might have something to do with not having 2 or 3 talls all attempting to mark the same ball Turner is more of a utility forward than a tall whilst the other forwards are not getting in each other's way. So when the ball hits the ground we're active Playing just the one tall (Petty) has a better look to it when considering that we're rapidly becoming a non-bomb-it-in-team We need to make it work with AJ or JVR next week as I see our forward craft as more team orientated rather than constantly kicking it to the talls

Another aspect to the revelation that is Chandler, is his kicking and his ability to shrug off tackles Kicked the ball to position well often to a lot of 1 on 1's (our forwards were not getting in each other's way) And his kicks were penetrative with not a lot of hang time (a forward's delight) If it wasn't for Gawn, Chandler was the standout performer on the day Chandler is more of a utility rather than a mid but his link up kicks from half-back to half forward are dynamic. Kudos

It's a big game for us isn't it? Another sudden death game and the players will know that any slip up means we could finish the season mid table (at best) The Hawks are decent but they are not that good. They are certainly beatable So the pressure is on and we just have to start well. We'd be in a better position if Clarrie was to step back in so let's hope that his break is a short one AJ or JVR to come in for Petty If Oliver is good to go then Sharp could make way (although Sharp does add a bit of pace up forward and isn't the worst of the back-ups) Sub to be strategic? Someone who can come on and impact straight away Could be worse as our season is still alive and at worst, we can play spoiler anyway

Right across the league, small forwards are often inconsistent ... but it's a tough position to dominate anyway Competition for midfield spots is hot but Kolt looks like a really good link player (team player) in the making He'll get his chances as a forward/mid but he's young and needs to bide his time up forward for now Expectations from the MC could be to get 10-15 possessions and apply as much forward line pressure as possible 3 shots at goal is not always going to end up in a 0.3 result. But having 3 or 4 shots at goal most weeks would be a terrific return Project player learning on the job

Chandler was fabulous Max was supremely dominant Langford is a beauty. Reads the play well and has got footy smarts

Another rev-up at half time? Again, we played really well in the 3rd quarter and that sort of footy we displayed in that quarter would worry most teams So we are quite capable and that gives us hope. 6 goals in the last quarter was pleasing as well as we ran out the game well First half? We need to get way better but at least we know we can bring it (if we're switched on) Manic hunger from the get-go is required if we're going to go on a run (as the opposition gets much stronger from last night) Bring on the Hawks!

Further to the Kolt discussion ... playing as a small forward alone can be tough going (they don't call it starvation corner for nothing) So if he finds his way back at Casey he should be played as a frontline midfielder But as it stands, if we get the chance to give Kolt some midfield minutes in the seniors, we should do so ... get him into the play

Correct And to expect much more than 14 possessions from a 19yo player who is playing a small forwards role is totally unrealistic Kolt needs to convert his opportunities but he's not alone in that dept. (from an overall perspective) The MC would be very happy with his development but that might mean that he could play some games at Casey as part of that development At a lower level, he'd be better suited as a frontline midfielder in order to develop his overall game

To be making long term judgement calls on Kolt right now is far too premature He's obviously learning on the job and is only a 19yo Right now, he continues to get to a lot of contests and given time (at least until the end of 2026) he should get up with the speed of the game (playing him as a small forward at a lower level might hinder his game, not enhance it ... he's that sort of player) But 14 possessions as a small forward last night was actually a very good return for such an inexperienced player Patience is required much as it is with most teenagers. If he had no presence or was invisible, that's a different story But again, he is quite noticeable when the ball is in his area. He's got plenty of 'go' in him and doesn't take short steps or backwards steps I compare him to Chandler. For a long time Kade wasn't impacting at all but we stuck with him and now he is a bona-fide AFL player who is starting to be a real standout Kolt is still just a kid trying to make his way in a very tough sport

Bring it on, the harder, the better We'll soon find out if our team is good enough and whether the new game plan can stand up The tough fixture will answer a lot of questions that we have right now A pass mark might be 5 & 4 and if that happened we'd then have an overall record of 7 & 9 after that block of 10 weeks

My guess is we will try and get hold of a number of draft picks to get a hold of an experienced KPP (or 2) Getting 2 might be a stretch but where there's a will, there's a way ... and we might have to give up a bit for the acquisition of those types of players Following on from drafting a bunch of mids (the 4 draftees in the last 2 off-seasons) as well as the development of other young versatile players such as Rivers, McVee, Sparrow, Bowey & Chandler etc And we've been there before ... after drafting or using the Draft to acquire Viney, Brayshaw, Petracca, Salem & Oliver we then went after May, Lever & Brown (using draft picks) We have a real need for a proper KPF & soon enough, we'll need a proper FB (that might be Petty but I'm not sure he could be a top FB, more a 2IC) We've probably got enough mids for now But May & T-Mac will be retired in a year or 2 so we need to look to the future post those 2 *And you might be right about Kentfield, he's the smoky The question is ... who do we use to get the picks? Anyway, the subject of trading in established talent, is for another day on another thread And again, it's just a guess on what we might do to improve the list (the club might be happy with our batch of up and coming talls)

30% on the bench as well (vs Tigers) 11 marks for a youngster is a standout stat. Shows he's making position well and creating seperation And 21 possessions at 71% DE is more than acceptable for an 18yo

I see Turner as more of a backman as his forward craft is not that good. Still, he'll probably get a few more chances forward Our best tall forward is Petty but unless we recruit a decent FB, Petty is possibly destined to fill May's role (down the track) If we can get hold of some decent draft picks, we might be able to lure a decent (experienced) KPF in the off-season

Fullarton has not shown enough so his height is not an advantage. He did ok against Freo but was largely invisible against the Tigers. JVR or AJ will probably replace him Playing as a permanent key forward is really hard work these days. Way less space to lead into so a KPF needs a few other tricks Years ago, many teams had at least 2 decent forwards. Nowadays, good key forwards are scarce due to the nature of how much the sport has changed

I doubt it will be Petty (rucking) And being in the ruck should help JVR, not hinder him It gets him into the play and he can get his hands on the ball. A bit like Kozzie who often needs to get his hands on the ball early But right now, 1 of JVR, AJ, Fullarton or Campbell gets a game so the MC will give them all a chance Fingers crossed 1 of the 4 turns out to be a decent contributor. There's a spot there for 1 of them My preference is for a more mobile forward line with very few inside 50 bombs (unless it's to the advantage of a teammate in a 1 on 1 ... heads up, eyes down, for the distributor kicking into the forward line)

For those who watched the Casey game against the Tigers What role did JVR play? A roaming forward or more stay at home? And did he do any rucking? And did AJ play deep forward or further out from goal? (or a combination of both?)

It's more a case if 'have-to' with JVR being the part time ruck If it's not him, then it's Fullarton or AJ as only 1 of the 3 gets a game under normal circumstances It's interesting that we were happy to go with just the one tall forward (predominantly) in the last 2 games (Petty) We've looked far more potent (and mobile) with a mainly medium sized forward line (we've also laid a lot more tackles and locked the ball more in our forward line as well ... in the last 2 matches) Helps when we're no longer predominantly bombing the ball forward (as a default move) Back-track to the first game of the season when we played 3 talls forwards with all 3 barely touching the ball (AJ, Jefferson & JVR) ... can't imagine playing all 3 in the same team now Right now, playing 2 of the 3 is 1 too many