Ouch!

Bit harsh Nasher, Bell is an upgrade on Steve Rosich Freo lost/let go both their list manager and their general manager of football. Bell fills the latter, but surely they would have elevated an existing scout or similar albeit temporarily. But they are making themselves looks like fools at the moment.

... and in that article it sounds like any trade negotiations with Brisbane have Freo insisting on 5 and another first round pick, yet they think they can low ball us with Hogan. something is seriously wrong in their headspace.

Sydney have nothing to offer MFC as compensation even if it was remotely true. ... actually it doesn't show Hogan as a mercenary. It shows that the MFC want to move Hogan out of the club and value what May could bring. Hogan is in the middle of all of this, I don't think he's instigating anything, although the rumours of him leaving don't ever seem to have died down!

Has Hogan said he wants to be traded? I didn't hear that yet... *Edit* didn't see replies on prev page... apologies.

Agreed. I think Kent probably has shown enough to suggest that he can be best 22 when fit, but on the body of work... the guy has just had rotten luck with injuries. Thats why he's moving on.

Lincoln McCarthy, who has been as injured as Kent went for pick 61... Ryan Clarke as you say went for 61, and didn't Gary Rohan get traded for that pick too? 65 sounds about right!

Worse than losing him to the saints via the PSD?

any news on a new username?

not only the 6-6-6 that is valuable for key forwards and backs. The hands in the back rule being relaxed to allow players to 'protect' the drop zone of the ball.... very interesting.

Because like us (with Hogan returning West) they might be sick of the hype, and don't want another year of it. They might get a high pick, but the speculation and disruption to the club for another 12 months given that his manager has stated that he'll either stay on an extended contract or leave this year... 11 by itself might be low in their eyes, but it's above market worth for the player and he's 26 (27?) so might only have 3-5 solid years left.

... best in category for AFL trade period journalism conducted by muppets that don't require hands up their nether regions to move and speak!

Kent out as well, but also manage to keep AVB!

They might now be looking to push 6 and 10 to the GC to get either pick 2 or 3. I also wonder if we secure pick 5, whether we will be looking to trade to Adelaide/Port for some slightly later picks... or players.

It's prohibited without prior approval / clearance from the AFL. However... if the deal was Pick 5 and the future first round pick for Freo for Hogan, and our future third round pick... it balances back out technically.

.... you've seen how many members we've got Bob. We need answers when we post here!

Two things, firstly would Hogan be heading off to Bali on a surfing trip if there is any doubt with his 'Medical' with Freo? Secondly I can't see Josh Mahoney GOING to the media saying that he expects it will be one of the more expensive trades ever were to move to Freo. Sounds to me that Peter Bell is trying to get across the state of their list ASAP, and whether there are other issues that he has to tick off before they can process Hogan, Lobb and Neale in and out of the club. Looks like a power play going on behind the scenes at Freo! (Not sure if Bell v Lyon v Rosich, or Bell v Lyon/Rosich) Feels like the latter, and that Bell might have been put in there by the board. With all that said it's a horrible look that the CEO is looking after list management .... Bell is their footy manager, they don't have a list manager currently. Club is looking very reactive atm! If we pull off a trade with Freo for Hogan, I'd almost be tempted to request 5 and next years first round pick, cos there is a chance you could land the 2019 number 1 pick out of the trade.. EDIT: This is purely speculation on my point.... so it's possibly as accurate as what a lot of the journo's are putting out there!

... the starting point is Freo and Lachie Neale, followed by Hogan saying he wants to move. They have 3 first round picks to play with (if you look at next years pick too.) If they want Lobb and Hogan coming in, I suspect that these three picks go out the door, you might get some change coming back the other way, or you have to lose a quality player along with the trade.

it doesn't have any bearing.... also we might have offered Pruess a 4 year deal at 300k. It's not a big contract, but it's a contract with job security. With that said,... with a lot of clubs looking for rucks at the moment, West Coast, Richmond, etc... I don't quite understand coming to play behind Gawn.

.... Hardball? Perhaps I am being naive but Hogan hasn't said anything to the MFC, so neither club knows his intentions. Freo don't look like they are budging on Neale leaving.... which limits what they have to play with too! I don't think Freo has indicated anything about what they plan on offering for Hogan, it's purely media speculation and rubbish out of mouths of people like Sam Maclure that has driven this at this point.

Sad we couldn’t get him, but still don’t really like free agency! So I guess I am glad to see players resist and show loyalty.

It would be a disaster to accept a single pick, however there is no reason to suggest that Freo don't offer pick 5 and next years first year pick would be similar type of pick (5-9)

the stupid thing with Maclures argument isn't that we might have to give up pick 5 to land May. Most people expect that is likely to be the case... it's thats he is making trade 1 = trade 2. Trade 2 is between the MFC and the Gold Coast. Trade 1 is the trade for Hogan is with Freo, and we should land pick 5, but Melbourne demand and expect more than just that. I don't think that the muppet knows how to do maths.... yet he is taking pot shots at Dal Santo for spelling!

I can't stand listening to him, but I can't turn it off. Been a long week, trying to get to the end of the day, and I think I'm being fuelled by my hatred of him to get me there!

Yet all of these other trades on the table such as Shiel, McGovern, even Neale... they are all under contract and the consensus you hear from most list managers is that it takes a little more to shake a player loose when under contract. Who cares if he'll go home anyway, it's irrelevant. Bryce Gibbs got done for 2 first round picks... I mean really is he even remotely comparable? Sam McClure doesn't get attention unless he says something controversial to make people notice. Watch this space, I bet that if we secure 2 first rounders or anything more than just pick 5. McClueless will come out and state that he thinks that it's a fair deal for both parties and thats what he expected the outcome to be all along!

At this time of the year people like Sam McClure show up how little they actually know about player value. All they are interested in is seeing trades actually happen, rumours being floated, and activity in general. There is no risk in this draft/trade journalism because if it doesn't happen there are so many excuses that they can fall back upon. Simple facts Hogan when compared to other key forward greats is tracking better statistically than most of them. He's had multiple 40+ goal seasons whilst often not playing the whole season. Hogan is still only 23, he's got the bulk of his career ahead of him, he's coming into his prime. Treloar was traded for 2 first round picks (7 and 7 in the following year) and key forwards rate much higher than midfielders in terms of trade value. Freo are desperate for a quality key forward, and they are the ones who need to pay overs to get him out of contract a year early. Melbourne don't have to trade him, and if we get him to honour the contract I have no doubt West Coast will become interested next year. No doubt in my mind that the MFC are definitely in the box seat for this trade, we are going to accommodate an offer by Freo if Hogan wants to head home, but we are not giving him away for nothing. The only thing that would see us accepting a single pick would be if there is a player, worth a first round pick, being thrown as part of the deal instead. Which could play out if they are desperate to get Lobb in as well. My only concern is that Lyon is saying 2 first round picks. I'd be saying 2 top 10 picks and one needs to be around the 5 or 6 mark.