Jaded No More

Wonder if Richmond supporters think that Tuck was good, except he let McLean run wild...? At the end of the day McLean is not a tagger, and his main role is not to stop his direct opponent. Of course he has to chase and man-up when the ball is going the other way (which he does, and he lays as many tackles as anyone), but if you play him on a damaging player, expect both players to get the ball equally. It's a case of, would you rather the opposition tag McLean out of the game, or would you rather let McLean and his direct opponent do as they please?

It's working ok this year, with the exception of Bruce being one of the co-captains. And it worked in Brisbane and it certainly worked in Sydney. I think it's the best way of getting McLean into the job he rightfully deserves, without putting all the pressure on him straight away. Still, if Green is captain and McLean is vice captain, the end result is still the same... our leadership group is not a joke!

Only Miller deserves to stay from the current group. McLean, Green, possibly Jones are all definite inclusions. In fact, why do we need 7 leaders? Green and McLean as co-captains will do nicely.

God only knows. He was shocking! 6- McLean 5- Garland 4- Green 3- Bruce 2- Wheatley 1- Miller

Thank you! Glad someone else saw his errors today. Yes he had some good pick ups and his pace was especially important on the wing, but he just bombs the ball with no purpose and turns it over. Was costly today. Green and McLean are the standout leaders of this club. Both put their bodies on the line and lead from the front. I just wish they'd leave Green in one position and let him dominate. Being thrown all around the ground must be frustrating.

Not that it gives me any pleasure to bring this thread up again, but what were you saying tarzan16? :D Another great game from the Brock. Disposal was spot on, quick handballs in close were terrific. Not only that but he showed some fantastic leadership out there. Sought out Morton and told him to keep his head up after he fluffed yet another kick. Oh and a player who doesn't care doesn't get his nose broken twice in 3 weeks because he is constantly on the bottom of packs.

Spot on. So he fluffed his kicks, but how many times did he find miles of space? run to the right position? If there is one thing you can't teach a player, it's being able to read and understand the play. He constantly runs to the right position and he has pace, and I could snap him like a twig. If he turned it over 19 times a game this year, I'd still be happy to have him out there learning. You don't drop a kid because he's had a few bad kicks. You retain him because he finds the ball, and he knows where to run and he has a football brain. Thank god he has a football brain!

Come on now, just admit you were wrong about him and that he's going to be a great player Nasher, Wheatley turned nearly every possession over. Sure he gets a lot of ball, too bad he can't use it. Garland hit every disposal that I can remember, and was fantastic both down back and up on the wing. His pace keeps surprising me.

Thanks! Newton with 4 on return and Petterd in the best. Excellent news. Hope to see them both in Sandy seniors next week. For people who watched the game, can we get a review of that list of 'best' players, as usually reality varies greatly from the match report. Cheers.

Final scores for those of us who spent the whole day studying for exams....??

Equal 9th according to Pro Stats (on 281): http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_rankings?rt=LT. Can't believe you actually bothered bringing this up and looking at comparative stats. Does it really make a difference to my argument if he's on 276 and 10th or on 281 and 9th? And a player who doesn't care does not find himself on the bottom of packs every week. That assertion was probably the most idiotic thing written in this thread, and that says a lot.

Brock is ranked 9th in the AFL for disposals, 8th in tackles, 5th in clearances and 9th in contested possessions. Do some research before posting, it'll save you a lot of embarrassment. And yes he is slow, but that's hardly something he has control over. Still doesn't stop him getting 30 odd possessions a game though. School holidays already?

Errr I think Deanox was being sarcastic, or maybe he was trying to be funny... clearly he failed miserably on both counts Edit: beaten to it by *this* much.

For the love of all that is red and blue, what has gotten into supporters lately? The kid is still going through puberty. He has been on the list for less than a year. He has a problem with his back and rightly so the club is being VERY cautious with him. How incredibly idiotic would it be if we rushed him, and caused permanent damage? I believe that he is now doing a modified version of a pre-season, given he didn't do one at the start of the year and when he's finished, he'll be physically ready to play some football. If it takes 2 weeks, if it takes the rest of the year, it will make no difference to his long term career at the MFC if we can manage his problem and get it right. We're getting our arses kicked at the moment. Why inflict more pain on the child than necessary?!

HA! Warnock on Richo, or Garland on Richo if he pushes up the ground? Garland on Brown is interesting, but I think if Whelan plays he'll get first crack.

Yeah, if only our backline was ranked first to match our world-beating midfield and brilliantly versatile (read: empty) forwardline I actually think our defence has been the most improved area this season. Finally it's not so much about Carroll punching people, and Rivers trying to kill himself to cover contests, and more about calm heads, pace and super-accountable defending.

Are you just making that up, or do you know something worth mentioning?

I completely understand and sympathise with this issue. I'm a student and I live from week to week (spend more on bills and car payment than I actually earn), and it takes me a good 3 months of conscious saving to scrape together the money to buy my 17 game membership including a reserved seat. Perhaps the new board can come up with an initiative where supporters who feel they are not financially able to purchase a membership, can apply for a concession membership where perhaps the club can supply them with a discount, or possibly distribute some free memberships to loyal supporters who are struggling, which will ensure they come to games (revenue for the club) and remain loyal to the club in the future (they'll purchase a membership when they are financially able to again). We certainly can't expect people who are struggling to buy food for their families, to spend $170 odd on a membership.

LMAO at the line-up, the half back line is almost as disturbing as the half-forward line. Bailey clearly couldn't be bothered organising the line-up so early in the week. Although I'm not sure how silly playing Frawley up forward is. You just never know what could happen. Anyways, bench should most certainly be Davey, Bate, Morton & Whelan.

He said "I want my son to be able to watch his favourite Melbourne players alongside his sons". It was very moving and it embodies what I think a lot of supporters feel about this club. I would be devastated if I couldn't emotionally blackmail my children to barrack for this club.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Queens Birthday our initiative to begin with? I'm happy, if Triple Chins is insisting on it, to split the takings 50-50. However there is no way we should let them take yet another bucket of cash from yet another blockbuster game. They already have too many of these... just ask their coach!

He's had shoulder problems before, but still I take your point. Beamer is worth keeping, even just as an insurance policy. His trade value is zero, and when Junior retires (this year?) we'll need an extra hard body in there. Now Valenti could well take over from Beamer, but every club needs depth and that is something we've seriously lacked in the last few years, so keep Beamer and if he recovers well and continues to impress, great.

There's a Freemason's private hospital. Maybe to save money we're getting a deal done with said hospital, given that half our list is in and out of doctors on a regular basis We could save thousands in medical bills and groin tablets

I would say that Gandel is on par with Pratt and Smorgon. Do we get a discount at Chadstone if we're Melbourne members? It's good that we can finally have some names to work with. As raised before, the current board does have some very good credentials too, so it's going to be interesting to see what these men can bring to the table in terms of money, sponsorship, unity and progress. I like that we've got an advertising guy in there to replace Gardner. I think promotion is a very weak area when it comes to the MFC and that has to be rectified.

Brad Miller for one. That's why he deserves to be in the leadership group and Yze doesn't. Yze did not know for sure that he was capable of kicking it. If there was only 2 seconds left in the game, than of course you take the kick, but he had better options and more likely goal avenues. He didn't even bother looking. If I was Morton I'd give him a spray.