Jaded No More

Melbourne B: Neville Jetta, Matthew Warnock, Jared Rivers HB: James Frawley, Stefan Martin, Aaron Davey C: Jamie Bennell, Lynden Dunn, Brock McLean HF: Matthew Bate, Brent Moloney, Michael Newton F: Brad Miller, Colin Sylvia, Cale Morton Foll: John Meesen, Cameron Bruce, Brad Green I/C: Paul Johnson, Nathan Jones, Clint Bartram, Ricky Petterd Emg: Jake Spencer, Addam Maric, Kyle Cheney In: Newton Out: Kyle Cheney Very disappointed about Maric missing out and PJ getting another game despite having 3 shockers in a row.

I saw a version that went for like 4 minutes or so, which I think is the full one. Not sure if it was the un-cut version though As I said, it is stupid and demeaning, but you can enter just about any keyword into Google these days and you'll come up with at least one unsavory website. Not that that's an excuse, but the only reason this made the news is because footballers were involved. If you're stupid enough to implicate your football club in anything that isn't 100% about footy, you're a moron.

Keep it in your pants. I think the club will be happy for him just to get through the game unscathed. No injuries, a couple of nice marks and a few goals would suffice. Remember this kid has had like ten weeks of pre-season, and does maybe two sessions a week while going to school 5 days a week. Let's hope this board doesn't go into "Omfg Watts iz da terible!111" mode if he doesn't kick 10.

It's so true. There is no way Deledio won't play at least parts of the game in the middle. As for Bowden, given that Robbo isn't there to [censored]-slap him around as per usual, we can have Frawley do the honours instead In all honesty, Richmond's forward line is the least potent attack we've faced this year, and given our defenders have copped relatively well against bigger and better teams, I'm sure Deledio and Bowden are not causing our defenders nightmares right now. Brown is the one that worries me. As for Bartram, he is actually very good at shutting down his opponent, he just needs to make sure he dishes off by hand as much as possible.

Pffft... Watts should be playing seniors... and by seniors I mean AFL... On a serious note, great to see his hard work pay off with a reward of playing some competitive football, and fantastic to see Grimesy back on the field.

And does absolutely nothing to enhance the sexual reputation of men

I'd love for Rivers to play on Richo, because not only can Rivers defend, but I trust that when he gets the ball he'll actually use it in a productive, meaningful way that will advantage our forwards. I can't see anyone else playing on Richo and being able to both successfully shut him down and make an impact on the game.

I completely missed that. I guess I've learnt to shield myself from all things Newton-related by simply ignoring the fact that he exists. However with the sad realisation that Juice is apparently an automatic starter at Melbourne, I will now go and shed a little tear and say a little pray for Jack Watts (may he kick 25 goals on Saturday and leave us with no choice but to play him on Sunday in a last-minute change to the line-up).

That Chris Johnson is getting a game in Carlton's backline says more about their lack of quality defenders, than it does about our list.

Out: PJ, Cheney/Bartram (both have their pluses and minuses) In: Spencer, Maric

I didn't find that movie offensive, it actually made me laugh, and I'm a woman. Was it in poor taste? Sure. Was it the most horrible, demeaning thing available freely on the net? Hell no (I'm sure most people here have seen the famous Jizz in my Pants clip, which is just as tasteless!) If I was a North supporter I'd be pretty [censored] off at the players not for making this silly movie, but for being stupid enough to have North Melbourne logos appearing in nearly every frame and then putting it on YouTube for all to see. It would have [censored] off the sponsors, and in general was an unnecessary distraction. Given that I couldn't care less about North Melbourne or the stupidity of their players, the overreaction to the whole situation had me wondering just how bored is the media?! Yes the video was rough, but if a guy is going to watch it and deduct from the video that mistreating women and running them over with a van is OK, then they are a lost cause anyway and are most likely [censored] already. Aker is 100% right in saying that there are plenty of dirty slappers out there who throw themselves at footballers in the most demeaning way, and they give football-loving women a bad name. It is much more upsetting to me as a women to know that there are girls out there silly enough to put themselves in harms way just for the sake of getting it on with a footballer.

Agreed. At the moment we're not good enough to tank. We are ordinarily hopeless without even trying, and we should therefore just keep going the way we are with development of players and experimentation of player positions. Of course once we get to 4 wins (if that actually happens), I would be extremely disappointed if the club doesn't have both feet on the break paddle and goes into 'list management' mode. We need to get those priority picks, there is no doubt about it, but unlike some clubs that shall remain unnamed, we actually deserve those picks, because we are not good enough to win more than roughly 4 matches.

We can, we can also play a donkey up forward too. Doesn't mean either will be any good at it. PJ is a proven failure as a forward. He can't take contested marks, his kicking is dodgy, and having him up forward is just going to clog up the space for Bate and Miller. I much rather play a small in there, e.g.- Maric. We do not need another goal post in the forward 50.

I know it's a cliche to say about a player that they 'bleed for the club', but having had a bit to do with Robbo over the years, he really really does bleed for this club. He has always been realistic about his abilities and downfalls, and it would be a great shame for him to finish his career when we're on the bottom. Hopefully he can get through a couple more years, because he really is a great player who has always been a good contributer and given us many highlights over his career. Good luck with the rest of the recovery and I really cannot wait to see him back out there!

Sure, when Bruce wins a Brownlow

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They're going to lose their three best players in the next year or two, and they'll struggle to replace Lloyd, Lucas and Fletcher. They are not ahead of us, they are just winning more games at the moment because their senior players [censored] all over ours. The difference is, when we lose our senior players, we won't be worse off (because by the time Bruce, Green, Robbo leave their replacements will be nicely developed), but when Essendon lose their senior players they'll go into serious after-shock. Fremantle is another club who is in real trouble.

Great topic. It's more depressing coming to Demonland than watching us play at the moment. The improvement from last year is significant, especially when you consider that this year we're younger and much less experienced than we were last year. There are glimpses every week that we are capable of playing that quick running footy that Bailey wants us to, and defensively we are a hell of a lot better. Yes we've had disappointing second halves, but at no stage this year did we give up or stop running. We put up some truly disgusting performances last year where 10 minutes into the game you knew nobody out there cared, this year we are fighting it out, and to win our last quarter today may seem like a small comfort, but it's a huge victory to a young team away from home getting comprehensively beaten. The future is bright. It is a hell of a lot brighter than it was in the last 3 years, even if we did play finals in 2006. For the first time in a long long time we are rebuilding completely, getting a core group of young players developed simultaneously and attempting to achieve success in a really meaningful way. None of this pseudo top 8 rubbish where we make finals, and bomb out only to top our list up with crap, and start the process all over again. If we want a premiership, the only way to do it is to sit patiently and watch the boys develop. Most of what we need is already there, we just need to tweak things along the way and hope for luck with injuries (and get the top two picks!!!).

I think it's important to point out that three of Tredrea's goals came when Warnock wasn't his direct opponent.

If you do not see the tremendous connection between structure and players, I officially give up. For future reference though, please don't start another thread on this topic, let's just keep filling the existing ones with the same discussion. Thanks.

I actually think we are a lot better placed than many teams, even though we are performing poorly at the moment. We're primed for another 2 or 3 top picks, we have one of the youngest lists in the competition, and we're in the midst of a rebuild which started before the compromised draft. There are teams out there with old lists, who will never win a flag with what they have at the moment, and who will take years to rebuild thanks to the introduction of two new teams that will take all the top picks. Teams placed anywhere from 6 to 11, who rely heavily on older players (Sydney, Brisbane, Richmond) are going to need a lot of luck with later picks if they are to be successful in the short-term future. We found ourselves a great time to suck, and thank god we've realised the need to rebuild mid-way through 2007, and made the required changes.

Gold this week joeboy. Well done.

I dare you to give this a rest... for at least a week... please. You don't like our forward set-up, we get it, surely we don't need a new thread every single week discussing it. Either bump up one of the other 975 threads you've started on this issue, or better yet, move on.

Yep, because unlike Lade, the hero who picks on kids half his size, Morton was concentrating on the game and wanted to help out his teammates by winning the ball, not beating up his opponent. The amount of complete and utter tools who play for the PAFC is amazing. Carr, Cornes, Brogan, Tredrea, Lade and the list goes on and on. Hope Burgoyne gets done for that sly knee into Davey's back too. Dog act.