PaulRB

Stuie the articles are from reporters who talk to the footy industry, The first article suggests that Dawes may go to Melbourne, Rivers to Geelong, and Caddy and McIntosh to Geelong... If you only want to listen to the voice inside your head, thats ok. I'd prefer to read about the latest discussions and proposals going on inside the AFL from those professional reporters (greg Denham aside) being paid to report on them.

The following articles all discuss our trading Gysberts... http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/demons-exodus-continues-with-lucas-cook/story-e6frf9jf-1226465138150 http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=149034 http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/lions-make-late-bid-for-popular-pie-20121011-27foi.html etc so "On available evidence, Jordie is being shopped around for a worse pick than we paid to recruit him.", ...

Potential is the peak that you could reach, if you have the drive to deal with everything that may stop you reaching that peak. It seems with some players they have the potential for a high peak, but not the drive to do whats required to get there. Other players don't have the same potential, but heaps of drive. Players with both become champions.

I was bored. And now I am really bored. Read about the "Order merit effect" and think of Jordan as coal. QED.

We're gonna go all the way in 2013!!! So excited. ;-)

They are no longer part of our future.

I'd agree he has/had potential, and assuming the FD also see this potential, then they must be put off by some serious flaws in order to be open for a trade, especially when his value is low. So the question with Jordan is, what are these flaws? Can they be fixed? and will it be worth the effort?

Moloney, Green, Junior and Jurrah played some great games in 2010 as well.

You and I will have to agree to disagree. A midfielder picked up at pick 11 after two years in the system should not be spending 14 games in the seconds trying to break into a team that finished 16th. Such a performance is simply below expectations and indicates a flaw in his ability to prepare and /or perform...

Every time we contemplate losing a player for less than we paid, having never seen them deliver on their supposed potential it is painful. Jordan raised our hopes early on, but seems to have hit a brick wall with the new Coach, FD and demands this year. Have to trust the FD to make the call, and hope they get it right.

You are clueless, he played 14 games for Casey.

I figured you too would be using his performance since being drafted to the AFL as an indicator of his progress. Just in case you missed it... Jordan Gysberts' contribution to the MFC in 2012 was 1 game for 9 disposals, and the MFC finished 16th. Prior to that he was doing OK 2011 - 15 games 19.4 ave disposal. MFC finish 13th 2010 - 3 games 21 ave disposal. MFC finish 12th

No change in criteria just a train of thought that you are unwilling or unable to follow: 1. MFC are disappointed in his progress/attitude/whatever, despite injuries etc... which leads to ... 2. "a result of him not performing as we (and the rest of the market) assumed he would when we picked him up in 2009" or put another way 3. '" a decline in his "market value"

I hear what you are saying in regard to the additional teams etc... on one level, However, just like the property market may change over the years, it is not unreasonable to conclude you've done a bad deal if a house you purchased in 2009 for 1.1 mill is worth half as much 3 years later (even assuming deflation of 10% p.a. as a result of the two new clubs). Same year we picked up Gysberts at 11 we picked up Tapscott at 18. If Tapscott was on the market would we be asking for a higher than pick 30 in this draft? I think so, primarily because he has done enough to maintain his value. Jordan has not, as yet, warranted his high draft position in 2009.

Not sure what you are talking about with Dawes.Jordan's market value in 2009 was pick 11. Jordan's market value in 2012 appears to be worth a pick in the early 30's To me this is a decline in his "market value" and a result of him not performing as we (and the rest of the market) assumed he would when we picked him up in 2009. Whats flawed in that logic?

On available evidence, Jordie is being shopped around for a worse pick than we paid to recruit him. That seems to indicate to me that the MFC are disappointed in his progress/attitude/whatever, despite injuries etc... The coach creates an environment where professional sportsmen can be successfull, the individual players can then take full advantage of this environment, or not. Would be a shame if Jordie chose not to.

It's good to spell it out though.

I was referring to my not getting excited, Stuie... Day 2 (of 30 odd).

The Wiggles are thinking of entering a team.

We?

Agree. We need to recruit so as of next year we can play the structures and game style we'll be playing in 3 years. If that means some short term stop gap solutions while we work to develop a younger alternative then thats what we need t do. The recruitment period The Free Agency phase - is generally only going to deliver us player with a "lifespan" of the next 2-3 years and ready to go in 2013. Low risk, moderate reward and moderate price (no picks but lots of cash) The Trade period - would ideally deliver us players with "lifespan" of 5-7 years and ready to go in 2013. Low risk, good reward but high price (i.e lose high picks and lots of cash). The Draft - will provide us with players with a lifespan of 10+ years but unlikely to be ready/prime for a couple of years... High risk, high reward with moderate price (high picks). Getting the balance right between these three elements of the recruitment period is key to our prospects in 2013 and more importantly our prospects of pulling together a premiership winning team in the next decade.

Every Auction needs a couple of bidders to up the price. We can say to GC and the other Vic clubs we'd take Caddy for Pick 13 (if GC play ball on JV). This would mean for Caddy to go elsewhere that the club would need to offer GC batter than Pick 13. GC get a good deal for a so so player.

I'd pass on Caddy for the sole reason that he wanted to go ONLY to the Dons last year and made too big a fuss about it all for a player with few credits in the AFL player bank... Over valued and we'd be likely to pay too much if we tried to out muscle other clubs ... for a so-so midfielder whose value has diminished since he was drafted, i.e Drafted at pick 7 & now struggling to justify pick 13.

Hold on. Gold Coast get Tippet for pick 13 and a second rounder, and we get Caddy for pick 13 (and some change). I'd prefer GC's deal for Tippet.

To use a PK line, Caddy is "all tip and no iceberg".