nutbean

Nonsense - obviously you weren't gifted a crystal ball and rear vision mirror like many on here.

Your dodgy memory is the same as my dodgy memory but I didn't post because I couldn't find the reference. My dodgy memory recalls Viney Jr rating Toumpas as the number pick and suggesting he wouldn't be around at our pick.

Most of the highlight packages are pretty meh. Two of the better packages I have seen is Fitzpatrick and Troy Davis - what does that tell you ?

For accuracy sake - Roos said he would not have done a straight pick 2 for Tyson - he wanted to get a pick back in the top 10 which was he got. (Tyson, 9 and 52 for 2,20,72)

Roos is on record Saying he wanted that trade precisely because it was two for one deal. He also said that Kelly would be a really good footballer. He called it a win win.

Dermie spoke about the great Hawk teams and he said the biggest single factor in the continual development of their youth was the unbelievably good mature aged players and leaders at the club. When Brereton debut ( in the finals of 1982 - couldnt make the team the whole year) - he was the third tall in the forward line. The early parts of his career were shielded. We expect Hogan to come in and be a gun from day one. Look at Gunston at the Hawks - had two years of the pressure being on Franklin and Roughy.

The jury is out on everything. What Steve said is correct except I have guarded optimism - we have changed plenty but I wish ( hope) it is that simple to turn around. I can see that Roos has improved the team but by his own admission we are still a long way off. Lots of the other building blocks are in place but I think have a real solid core of mature footballers to ease the way recruits is so important and we have better than last year but still dont have enough good matures to take the pressure off the kids. I am not as confident as some that we have the right environment for kids to prosper YET. Call it a work in progress. I have confidence that we are on the path. Incompetence doesn't get corrected and overhauled from one year to the next so I will hold fire about all the guns that may come into this club until one actually proves himself to be one.

Thanks for pointing out me being ignorant and infuriating but obviously you don't read my posts on recruits because I actually agree with you 100%. Well 90%. All you say is true but I have been so badly burned by our past incompetence that I will declare a future draft pick a gun when one actually turns out to be one.

morton, scully, trengove, watts petracca will be a gun - I'm certain of it.

Or they could be Luke Tapscott

All our players look composed during training...alas.. when they play a game proper.......

lordy lordy - when we all learn. Cook was All Australian centre half forward !!!!!

sigh........ Again...... Toumpas was the more highly regarded player at the time of the draft. You can all rewrite history as much as you like but go through every article by TAC watchers and Toumpas was more highly ranked than Wines. That much is fact. The next probability is that Wines is now arguably the best player out of that draft so following the flawed rear vision logic - we should not have been able to draft him because GWS had picks before us and they should have taken him first ! (if you go back through posts at the time - there was even talk of "collusion" that we gave up too much for Hogan but the trade off was that Toumpas would somehow slip through to our pick)

Same was said about Tom Scully if i recall... Same was said about Jack Watts and/or NicNat if I recall. They all look like guns and jets at TAC level. Here's a riddle - how do you turn a jet into a spud - put him in a Melbourne jumper. ( sorry - still in the grieving process after Sunday - I asked an MCC attendant for my membership money back)

Even then I would prefer a mid. Tall forwards are guesswork as to when you will see the best from them. Cameron came on pretty quick but Lynch, Dixon, Day have been slower cream to rise to the top. Ruckman as you rightly pointed out are the same. With few exceptions, you don't see the best of them until they around 24 plus.

great post - but I note with interest that you are only an annual member not a life member. I question your loyalty that you have only signed up for one year. Before I realised that you had only signed for one year I thought your posts were valuable and insightful but now I believe they have little merit and will be no great loss if you decide not to sign up again. I have heard a rumour that you are hanging out hoping to be picked up by a more successful fan forum like "The Punt Road End". The good news is that if P-Man does go we can get a very high compensation poster pick and cherry pick posters from Saintsational fan forum. (good job P-man)

He had a very special on field relationship with Garry Lyon ( especially standing on his head to take that hanger)

I resemble that remark !

You know noothin Deestroy all

You know this how ? Roos confirmed we would not have taken Kelly but I haven't seen any reporting that we would have taken Salem at number 2 ?

Murphy has always had class on and off the field.

I have "slade" tattoed on my knuckles (not really)

In come the dollars and in come the cents to replace the pounds and the shillings and the pence. Be prepared folks when the coins begin to mix on the 14th of February 1966. Clink go the cents folks clink, clink, clink. Changeover day is closer than you think. Learn the value of the coins and the way that they appear and things will be much smoother when the decimal point is here. In come the dollars and in come the cents to replace the pounds and the shillings and the pence. Be prepared folks when the coins begin to mix on the 14th of February 1966.

In come the dollars and the cents Out go the pounds and the shillings and the pence......

In come the dollars and the cents Out go the pounds and the shillings and the pence......