binman

8 hours ago, Radar Detector said:

Sometimes I really don't understand the feuding on this site. FWIW I have been firmly in the "don't delist" camp and would summarise JW this year as follows:

1. He is certainly surpassing the "minimum standard" required to play at AFL level (but I don't think that's what ProDee was arguing)

2. He is making a valuable contribution and averaging 2 goals a game is by far his best effort to date

3. He appears capable of better. He still has quiet periods in games and lapses in intensity

4. His natural talent levels mean he should have a higher ceiling and be held to a higher standard than many other players. This is not harsh, it is an acknowledgement that he has many tools that others don't and should be expected to use them

All that considered, this year has been good and we should certainly enjoy what he is producing. However I don't think it is in any way unreasonable to assume that this should be a building block to becoming an even better player, rather than an anomaly year before he regresses or plateaus. He is capable of more. I would suggest that holding this season out as a minimum standard is completely appropriate and don't really understand why anyone would think otherwise.

Good post Radar.

I'd add one point - one I've made before. I don't think Watts gets enough credit for how infrequently he misses games due to injuries - this year but also throughout his career. This suggests that although looks pretty laid back and casual (and has had a bit of a reputation as party boy) he is also very professional in his approach to training and managing the impact of playing AFL football. 

This consistency of getting on the park  has been a big factor in the synergy Watts has developed with Hogan and for that matter the players delivering the ball to him.

28 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

Full strength...

Brayshaw, Salem, Lumumba, Garlett just to name.a few of the top of my head.

That's where it ends though. You could perhaps mount a case for m jones heing best 22 but apart from those you've listed that's it.

I love the fact he is left foot kick and a good one at that. Hibberd, Wagner, H, Melksham, Hunt, Salem, Jetta and Vince would make for a pretty impressive group of small to medium size defenders

24 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Anyone see woosha on the news tonight saying we shouldn't be talking to a player that is already contracted. I thought these banned players could walk if they wanted to. 

Anyway the dogs got boyd when he was still contracted and freo practically got McCartney. 

The AFL need to come out and clarify this point

2 hours ago, Hell Bent said:

 

Said much the same a few days ago Binman, I reckon he will play.

Good get

12 minutes ago, hemingway said:

I think we would all love to see Jack play 100 games. It is more sentiment than logic, unless there are injuries or poor form from the current group. It's a tough business and the club has suddenly developed a tough take no prisoners attitude after decades of decay. So after watching the shambles of those decades, Northey and Daniher years excepted, I want to continue to see this tough new attitude predominate both on field and off field, like the top clubs. No-one can be gifted games. The sad reality is that there are great blokes who will not have their dreams and hopes realized and that they will be either depth players or end up playing elsewhere. I love Jack but I think that the nature of our new club means that his window of opportunity has passed unless we have injuries or form problems. No doubt we will, so Jack probably will deserve a game. However, he will not be with us next year when you look at the development list.

Sorry H disagree. I think the club is duty bound to get him to 100 games if he is anywhere near the required AFL level (which he is) and believe there is still a place for this sort of approach in the game.

Footy will never be just business and it simply cannot be forgotten what he has given to this club. They'll get him those two games and i will be proud of the club when they do.

15 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

At one point he was just yelling "yea yea yea!"

I thought he was from Brighton

Put this in the Grimes thread but relavant here also:

 I think Grimes is real chance of being picked this weekend, replacing Stretch. Good time to give Billy a rest with the bye coming up and Grimes is playing a similar role at Casey (wing/mid). It will be atough, wet game so an a mid twenties hardened AFL player will come in very handy.

I also thought these comments from Plapp in this VFL player review were interesting and perhaps a indicator Grimes is a chance:

'He was taken off the ground at three quarter time due to some stuff at AFL level that we just needed him to be ready for but we were really happy with Grimesy.'

Just now, Dante said:

Maybe in the second half of the season, as the younger players tire, they might need a mature body or two to take their place as they rest. Good strategy so we don't cook the kids.

 

 

I agree. In fact i think he is real chance of being picked this weekend, replacing Stretch. Good time to give Billy a rest with the bye coming up and Grimes is playing a similar role at Casey (wing/mid). It will be atough, wet game so an a mid twenties hardened AFL player will come in very handy.

I also thought these comments from Plapp in this VFL player review were interesting and perhaps a indicator Grimes is a chance:

'He was taken off the ground at three quarter time due to some stuff at AFL level that we just needed him to be ready for but we were really happy with Grimesy.'

Hi Vogon. Am i correct in assuming you have had a previous alias on DL? If so, for context would you mind sharing your alias history (as that function seems to have been lost with the transition to the otherwise excellent new site)

6 hours ago, ProDee said:

But once he had a terrific preseason, once he said that he was going to play permanent forward (this year) and once he acknowledged he needed to kick more goals it was reasonable to set scoreboard impact as one of the first measuring sticks.  I thought he could and should kick 40 goals in this new role.  You're a dope and naturally scoffed.  You have no vision or footy cred.  

Jack Gunston is a very good player.  He's a better player than Watts.  I don't expect Watts to kick 50+ goals (would be great if he did), but playing the Gunston role 40 goals was reasonable.  

He's having his first good year in 8 and dopes like you think it's wonderful and not a minimum required standard.  Now that he's worked out what AFL footy is about it should be the standard.  

And I have zero doubt that it's a standard for him, his coaches and teammates.  Or do you think they'll be happy with less ?

I agree he is at minimum standard, assuming you mean his minimum standard, if that makes sense. As you say the way he has played most of this season is minimum required standard, particularly his competitiveness.

As someone else pointed out one of the impressive things about this season is how consistent he has been across games (but not as you have said always within games). This is super important as we can see the impact of forwards going missing in some games, in particular Kent and Gartlett.

As i have said before 40 goals is what he should have been aiming for, though i would have been happy with 30-35 (perhaps setting the bar to low).

Hard to argue that Gunston is the better player. At the moment. He has the runs on the board - though i would argue as permanent forward who's key go is marks on the lead he has benefited from one of the best mid fields ever and had Franklin, Roughie, Rioli and Bruest to keep defenders busy.

But i can see Watts being better eventually as he is as classy and with his capacity to play up the ground he has few more strings to his bow. He will also benefit from an improving midfield and a forward line that soon will not be far off the Hawks one i just mentioned. But he would need to go up a level and also put 2-3 more really good seasons together.

To go up a level he will need to keep being consistent, but also have a handful of games where he get 20 plus possessions (dragging his disposal average up above the 15 or it is at the moment) and one or two games per season where he blitzes the opposition and bags 5 or 6 goals. I think he has both of those things in him as he builds toward 150 games, his confidence keeps rising and the team around him keeps rising.

We'll see. Perhaps my call from 3 years ago that he would make AA might come true. That might be a good bet!

By the by i'm loving the avatar PD - warms my heart every time i see it and has allowed me to migrate to two of my favourite ever dees players.

Do it for Nasher redleggers!

My dees mate reckons im crazy but i am super confident we'll win this one. In fact i predict a 40 point plus win.

We match up supwr well against the pies, primarily  because i don't think they have worked out their zone defense, which  they need to to combat our high press game.

14 minutes ago, Samael said:

Viney is playing. Grimes and Michie playing for Scorps and Harmes  not playing.

Thanks samael. A shame for viv. He'll get there. I hope.

1 hour ago, AngryAtCasey said:

We had one friday night game last year which we won on a cold wet night in front of a big crowd. Showed improvement through 2015 and were rewarded with 0 this year.

The bummers bring the code into disrepute, finish lower then us in 2015 and all in sundries know they're 12 are going to get suspended, yet they get 2 Friday Night games this year including indoors v the reigning champs.  And suprise, suprise it's a blow out and no one turns up.

A please explain is surely in order!

Yet posters will continue to say all we need to do is win games to be rewarded with Friday night games. Like North and the bulldogs. Not.

Prime time exposure continues to be ignored as a critical element of equalisation. I wonder why. Not.

31 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I'd assume with Garlett's omission to has to do with adherence (or not) to non-negotiable team rules around structure or contested ball, and form.

Yep, that's my take. In particular  i reckon he has not met the competiveness threshold in the last 3 weeks, most notably last week.  

Roos rule number 1. All players will be competitive 

17 minutes ago, Nasher said:

*cough*I'veneverseenalivewin*cough*

No, that can't be true. Seriously?

8 minutes ago, Skuit said:

 

Whose job at the club is it to decide whether playing could aggravate the injury or cause longer-term damage? 

 

Calling Webber

47 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

SEN have just quoted Roos as saying that Viney will be in the squad of 25 for QB.  Apparently is 50/50.

Miraculous recovery!

Or is it Roos messing with Buckley's currently vulnerable mind!

Hope he plays!!!

Its funny you should say that. I was wondering if there was a chance he might get picked. I heard Viney say in an interview (to burgs?) the docs had said he'd be out for 3 weeks bu that he would be right sooner. Tough little bugger who would have kept running and doing weights so won't have lost any fitness.

Put his hand in a big glove and let him play one handed.

5 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Three weeks ago when we beat Brisbane.

Ok Stan, but apart from beating the Lions what did the Romans ever do for us...

On 15/05/2016 at 11:11 AM, ProDee said:

Forget about the physical similarities, Weideman thinks and plays like a key forward and that's not Watts' go. 

Weideman attacks marking contests with belief and fearlessness and that has never been Watts' strong suit.

Agree. The bit i have seen of the weed he just looks like a pure full forward. Natural leading patterns  and terrific attack on the ball in the air. Not in build but he reminds me a bit of jason dunstall.

Love that he's learning his craft at Casey. Once in seniors a triangle of watts, hogan and weed (out of tge square) will be a formidable forward line, particularly with Petracca as a wild card. Cant wait.

21 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Just like Langdon has been really consistent and loud that Hogan is as good as gone.

They are all the same mate.

Nup, no they're not. Thank god. Gossage is a trained journalist who i actually have a bit of time for. Langdpn and hardie are dumb asre jocks that pander to the lowest common denominator 

1 hour ago, Fifty-5 said:

Want BenKen in, Harmes out.

Agree. Harmes hasn't  done enough last few weeks. Plenty of scope for improvement and a few weeks  back at casey with some specific things to work on will be good for his development 

On 05/05/2016 at 8:13 AM, Undeeterred said:

Who cares what he says in public?

I don't take a thing Roos says at face value. 'We didn't pick the right team' sounds better than 'Winning this specific game isn't that important to us long term, so we were willing to sacrifice it to see what would happen if we backed our system in the whole game'. Not saying that's what happened but, if it is, that's what I'd prefer Roos to say at the end.

He mentioned  in a post match interview  with burgs that he played wing but saw himself moving into the mid as an inside mid.

I see him as our sam mitchell. Tough inside mid, good by hand, good vision and a good organiser

I reckon he plain misjudged it. He had 3 mtres on his opponent and wouls have  known that. If he was going to shirk a contest he would have more of an effort to disguise it. 

That said it was a big stuff up. It ruined a terrific bit of ball movement and should have been  a sure goal as if he had marked its  (as he should have) he had a player wide, free and running  to goal. Critical point in the match too.

Whilst talking about garlett why on earth would the conditions of not suited a crumbing small forward?

16 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

I actually think fans hate this timeslot the most.

It's so early in the day, it interrupts the morning and by the time the game's over you feel like the afternoon's gone too.

I think I dislike 1.10pm starts more than 4.40pm starts.

Not me. My favorite time slot. Home by 5pm in time to cook dinner and avoid using up too many brownie points