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I said to a mate at the game yesterday that i cannot recall another player, or at least a dees players, dropping so far, in so short a time frame. In 2018 he came sixth in the Coleman and looked a star. Last season he was clearly hampered by injury and was too heavy. Yesterday he looked to be moving better and and has slimmed down but is still living in struggle town. To be fair he worked hard, but he couldn't take a mark to save himself, has a huge turning circle and his body language was still a bit iffy. And the opposition coach saw fit to put a baby on him, who on at least one occasion out bodied him and on few occasions ran off him. Ironically we are in the same boat as Carlton and need a key forward. Like his brother he has been given an opportunity to reestablish himself. I hope for the dees sake he takes it.

In two years? Moving the goal posts a bit there JG. You argued that your opinion that he 'simply shouldn't have been playing AFL football on many many occasions during his career' was 'indisputable'. And as evidence you argued that the fact 'he didn't find a suitor over the trade period and has now been delisted at under 25 years of age' proved your point (an 'near unprecedented' scenario!). To which I responded with this question: 'out of curiosity what happens to your argument about not being AFL standard if another AFL club gives him, say, a rookie spot on their list?' Well, that has come to pass. You are correct Omac has not developed into the player i thought he would in his first couple of seasons. But i will also say that post that period, I was always realistic about his ability. My comments about him were almost always in response to what I saw as inaccurate or unfair comments. For what is worth, I agree that he is likely to play more games in the VFL than the AFL this year. Hell, he may not get an AFL game. I agree with Deespicables comments about the saints game. His deficiencies were plain to see. Realistically he is likely to be a depth player for the blues. You've noted before you have done some talent spotting for clubs. I'll take that on face value. Given that experience, do you really think an AFL recruiting and list management team would waste a super valuable list spot for a player that is as average as you think Omac to be? A player of whom you made this comment: 'posters are beyond out of touch if they truly believe he was never as bad as what some like myself believed'. Do you think Carlton are gifting him a coveted spot on their list? Or perhaps they are also out of touch? I'm not defending OMcac. I wish him good luck. I hope he does well but he's no longer a dee so i'm not fussed either way. What i am saying, is your assessment of his ability is wrong. In my opinion. He was, and is, a better player than you think he is. In my opinion. And the facts are on my side, i have to say. Your assessment of his ability is clearly not shared by professionals who are paid to make such assessments. He was drafted by an AFL club. Played 80 odd AFL games for that club, before being delisted. And has now been recruited by a second AFL club. A club that has the benefit of being able to watch every single minute of football Omac has played for the last 5 years or so. And watched him over a preseason. So the blues are making a fully informed decision. And with all that information have come to the conclusion he can contribute to their club. An AFL club, not some country level football team many had written him off as struggling to even get into. As Carlton's Head of List Management Nick Austin said: “It is never an easy situation for a train-on player however from the moment Oscar walked into the football club late last year he has done everything possible to earn a spot on the list. He already has six years of experience at the elite level, has a great work ethic and above all is a great person who will be a welcome addition to the playing group.”

.....another AFL club has elected to add Omac to their list. And, unlike the dees, the blues had 80 odd games of AFL footy and a preseason to base their assessment on, and a professional recruiting and list management team have come to the conclusion he is AFL standard and can make a positive contribution to their team.

I did. And it was a neat, 25 metre kick inboard that hit a target (i think rivers) that had opposition players around him. Rubbish kicking skills is our biggest single issue. Bowey will help address this issue.

Credit where it is due. Good move.

Watching at the ground yoy can really see how much running he does and how much distance he covers. Super important with 30 min qs and 75 rotations

You mean like Yarra Park car park on game day at the g?

What's a train?

Given the standard of food and the urinals at the footy, that risk has always been there!

Me too. Sort off. If you include bowey, who they want play at hb, down back we have the following players in the mix: bowey, hibberd, lever, may, jets, Salem, rivers petty, smith and tomlinson. Ten don't go into 6. Salem is in our best 22, so playing him somewhere else would create one spot down back. I used to keen for him to be tried on the wing, but don't think he has the pace or the tank. But I could see him as a high half forward. Would mean his kicking skills would help our inside 50s and accuracy for goal. And his defensive work would be good for forward half pressure. Seems a long shot though, given I think he has been trying with the defenders.

Speaking of alt right bingo Donald trump Jr. was appalled to learn a few days ago that the Washington Football Team's cheerleading program had been axed. So he posted a video on the web entitled: LOL: This is the Latest Victim of Woke Craziness. In it he says "If there was an Olympic medal for woke stupidity, these guys would win, like, the platinum medal. It would be bigger than gold," Platinum medal. Pardon the pun, but that is comedy gold. Talk about triggered. So triggered he had to make a video (presumably in front of his wall of guns). I am convinced donnie jnr posts on demonland.

Is You're going today? I thought it was that long for me too. But I forgot about the practice match against the roos right before it all shut down. Rivers looked good that day.

I wish I had the option of two laughing emojis. Gold. But seriously, are you ok?

Doubt it. Its on fox/kayo

Whatever your views are on the gender issue daisy, i'm sure you agree that there was every chance this would become a 'story' (even if you think it isn't one). And I'm sure you'd agree that it is now an unhelpful distraction. An entirely avoidable distraction. So surely you agree it was srltupid for pert and Bartlett to agree to attend. Or perhaps broker a different venue (of which, in the current climate, must be hundreds)?

Nup. When I posted your post wasn't up yet, so I hadn't read it (still haven't- will now)

Jeez, maybe we could all chip in some money to get some psychological help for all the posters who are so evidently triggered and rattled by a benign discussion about gender. Poor things.

At the Australia club? [censored]

You're right with this. I'm guilty in my previous posts about of implying reputational risk is the key issue. But as you say the key issues are club culture and club valued. The culture of any organisation is set by the leaders. And here we have the two most senior people in tbe org endorsing the choice of venue. Forget the message to fans, what message send to staff and the all players? Does anyone seriously think Peggy O'Neil and Brendan gale would accept such an invite?

Geez, mcnamara is a natural footballer

Agree it is nothing to die in a ditch over. But for me i have started having some doubts about the judgement of both Pert and Bartlett. The members forum, the agm bartletts comments after the port game and some other eyebrow raisers. And a lapse in judgement in this case just adds to my concerns

Which reminds me of the irony of trump jnr 'writing' a book called triggered about triggering the snowflake left. Ironic because he and his dad and most of his acolytes gets so beserkley triggered at the drop of a hate (eg donnies response to karl rove and the wall Street journal). And the irony of the Republicans, the party of freedom of the individual, bleating about the evils of cancel culture when anyone who doesn't toe the trump line or has the temerity to vote on conscience get torn to shreds and in some cases censured by their party.

Exactly. Leaving aside any discussion about the choice the venue by the coterie and whether criticism of the club is valid and/or fair, it is a stupid decision by pert and Bartlett to be involved. Without their involvement its just a fund-raiser by some dees fans. At worst it is highlighted and some comments and jokes are made about typical establishment, rich mfc supporters and reinforcement of stereotypes. Maybe a codabeens song. Basically no blow back on the club at all. But having the CEO AND President means quite rightly the club are seen to endorse the event and venue. Now the club is exposed So again, leaving aside how fair this is, you have to question their thinking - particularly pert who is probably on 200k a year. And particularly in the current environment. Where is the assessment of the reputation risk? They made some noise about 'listening to their female members', so they are seemingly at least alert to the issue (though to be honest those comments were cringe worthy - one they didn't need to say anything, two they ended up sounding paternalistic- l mean you change because you think it's the right thing to do, not coz you are listening to the little ladies). And then they provide the media the opportunity to bring that change up in a negative context (by the by the critics of the abc here is ridiculous. They're not allowed to do what every other news outlet does - write something that gets clicks retweets, attention etc etc?). There is every chance they had no idea of the venue. If so that is simply unprofessional. Again particularly by pert. And if they did know and the reputational risk didn't register then, Houston, we have a problem. A stupid own, goal.

Excellent post. Agree with all of it. You are spot on about goodwin having no more excuses. There were certainly mitigating factors in 2019 and 2020 (injury and a pandemic respectively) but they have basically used up his get out of jail cards. If we don't make finals, i'm convinced that no matter what extenuating circumstances there might be, he wont be there next year. Because, as you say where we are at in terms of the list, development etc anything less would be fail. Agree about our list profile and the importance of having a core of key players in their prime age range. Added to the invaluable AFL experience that brings, that group is also at their peak fitness and strength wise. Which will be critical this year with 30 minute quarters and 75 rotations. And credit where it is due, they have finally brought in some players in Rivers, Bowey and Laurie to help address our kicking problems. And in Kozzie and Jackson they have added the x factor every contender need. I watched much more football last season than I ever have. Prior to last season i barely watched non Melbourne games, save for finals, the occasional big game and may be one or two quarters of random games. Watching so many games really reinforced your point about over rating the lists of other teams. There are lot of average players and a lot of players with rubbish kicking skills. We have top 4 list. And i think we are good chance of making top 4. Of course i wont be surprised if we don't. I will be surprised if we don't make the 8.

How many days does vic have to be covid free for no restrictions on entering WA?