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Lumumba made another interesting point on Twitter, which was quoted in that article: “The 'CFC Do Better' report was not a 'response to the Black Lives Matter movement', as McGuire suggested. “CFC themselves announced the review was commissioned 'following accounts of racism made by Heritier Lumumba'. I wondered what the hell Eddie was talking about too. Either I'm right about him having cognitive issues or Eddie just couldn't help spinning things and big upping himself and tbe club (ie "we were on the front foot, are leaders and wanted to respond to the blm. Coz we're great. And not a racist club. Just some poor processes and policies' ). The irony is rather than determinedly investigating Lumumba's accusations tbey instead looked to buy some time and cover with a review. That with some help from Eddie , blew them up.

A fair point. He also ranked 10th in the league for marks inside 50 per game. But my main issue with Sam is his intensity and effort. That's to say his lack of it. A huge issue for us last season was our woeful pressure inside 50 and out inability to keep it trapped there. In our really bad losses (i'm thinking Port, Freo, Swawns and Dogs) the opposition just waltzed the ball out of our defence and up the field with ease. Sure Weed is a big (pardon the tautology) and i read about his struggles, but he had only had six tackles for the season. Six. The most he had in a single game was 2 against the crows. And i'm pretty sure of those six, maybe one or max two were in the last 5 games or so, when our season was on the line and you'd expect him to be at his most desperate. Compare that to Port's Todd Marshall, who i reckon is a pretty fair comparison: One year younger, drafted the year after Sam, ten fewer games, similar position, a touch taller, a touch lighter and both top 20 picks (16 to Sam's pick 9). And he played almost the same number of games in 2020 (14 to Sam's 13). Todd Marshall had 35 tackles for the 2020 season. Nearly six times more than Sam. Marshall had the 18th most tackles inside 50 per game of any player in the AFL in 2020. It is also worth noting that its not as if the other bigs at Port were not pulling their weight on the tackle front. Dixon had 18 (and Rozee, who to be fair is a mid size forward at 175 cm, had 16). To be fair to Sam 83% of his tackles were inside 50. The problem is he only had six tackles in total

I'll take the glass half full approach. Which is based on a glass half empty premise. Which is that i have to say i've lost faith in Weed. He was rubbish last year. He had the perfect opportunity to stamp himself as the man down forward but the longer the season went the less interested he looked. He seemed to go to the Melksham school of tackling and half arsed effort. When he began i saw him at practice match at the Holden centre and thought he looked a natural forward. But he doesn't seem as if he has really devloed his forard craft. And is too easliy pushed under the ball for mine. So the glass half full is that Tmac plays deep -as he should have last year and LJ and Mitch Brown are the other key forwards. With Smith down there too flying at every height ball and generally going crazy. And together they rock

Gotcha. Ben i meant. Forgot about the other brown

I'm confused. Is Brown ok?

Maybe. But i reckon the last week or so has shown he no longer has the political smarts (assuming he once he did) to play the political games he'd need to play to get a safe labor seat. I have no axe to grind with Eddie, but jeez he has become the master of the own goal. His comment that he has become a lightning rod for vitriol sums it up for me. With his performance at the initial presser (even yesterday - i mean still with the 'we're not a racist club' palaver? ) he practically went to radio shack, bought himself a large lightning rod, attached it to his head and stood in the middle of Victoria park in a thunder storm. And I doubt his 'brand' is very appealing atm. Maybe to One Nation or the Nationals perhaps, but not Labor.

So what if he did? Leaving aside any discussion about why a 21 year old kid might have felt compelled to go along with that nick name (you, know like aa culture of systemic racism) let's say he made those responses. So what? It might be relevant in the inevitable civil compensation case thread. but this thread is about an external review, commissioned by the club, that found the CFC guilty of systemic racism. It's remit did not include investigating Lumumba's complaints. So didn't specifically address them, beyond recommending an investigation take place.

Yeah. Poor Eddie. The true victim here.

Now that's a burn. A mel burn. Drop the mic mel.

My thoughts exactly NC. Was just about to post almost exactly the same comments. As I posted earlier in this thread it is remarkable that for a bloke who's life work has all been about communication he is so poor at it. Is this a more recent phenomenon (ie the ladt 10 years or so) or has it always been tbe case? As you say tbe smart play was to fall on his sword when the report was leaked. Perhaps a smaryrte move still would have been to release it himself and step down. Either way he controls the narrative, leaves on his terms and his 'brand' doesn't take such a god awful shellacking.

Just one at a time.

All good points, as we're lg's in the previous post. As you ssy a young fella looking to fit in is likely to do all manner of things that he later regrets (i know that is true of me) including accepting offensive epithets. It is also worth noting that he has said his sense of who he is and his identity grew later (iirc he was adopted into a white family) A strong culture and leadership knocks tha nick name on the head the very first time it used. And makes it clear it is not to be used. All the while supporting the young man. He started his career this century, not 1980.

Agree. I actually think maxy playing in defence as an intercept mark/spoil was a positive tactical move by Goody last season. Footy is more than ever about territory. The tigers template of moving the ball forward at all costs and gaining meters (one we have largely adopted) has won three of the last four flags. If you count the doggies, who employed much the same philosophy to win the 2016 flag, that is four of the last 5 flags with a similar template. Sure some teams employ a chip and hold model (eg Cats, Eagles), and all teams do so more than they did even two years ago, but once a team has elected to go forward territory is king. And more often than not that involves a long kick to a crowded forward line where the key forward does his best to bring it ground and give a small a chance at crumbing. Hence ground ball get being now being a key stat. And this predictability of entry is perfect for max who can stand in the hole and take a pack mark from the high ball in. Lever can still play the intercept role but with those packs he is more to jump and spoil then take a contested mark. Which is a better option than a forward marking it, but not nearly as good an option as Maxy marking as the ball is on the ground from a spoil. Everything old is new again and the way max drops back reminds me of the way Teasdale used to play.

The boat is the MFC. The people pulling it is us.

The idea that you could solve an issue as entrenched, as so obviously systemic, as racism at the pies (or anywhere for that matter) by sacking an individual is ludicrous. Indeed it is this very approach that has allows systemic racism to be maintained. And of course it is why two respected academics (that the club contracted to provide advice) have not suggested sacking an individual will solve the issue. And why there recommendations focus on addressing the systemic issues. I assume you have not read the report. And with all due respect I am at a loss as to how you can reach a different conclusion than the report's authors.

I read those comments, and without a word of a lie, my first thought was to wonder if Eddie has some cognitive issues. Widely interpreted? I did not see one response suggesting he meant they were proud of past incidents of racism and the hurt that had caused. And more the point, who on earth would think they, or he, would be proud of being racist? That is an absurd thought. I assumed he meant a proud day because the report was being made public and they were going to act. Isn't that how most interpreted his comments? He had a full day to reflect on it and that's his considered response? I read he blamed the stress of the report being leaked for 'misspeaking'. And when he made his Kong Kong joke he blamed the cumulative stress of the racism row. Red flags if you ask me. At the very least signs of someone who is struggles to perform his role under pressure.

Agree. Sort of. I'd just can the rule and if an umpire thinks a player has impacted the game by inadvertently or deliberately preventing the ball being moved on a free is paid. That's to say simply pay the free they have always been able to pay. Classic example of introducing an unnecessary rule that just creates confusion.

C'mon DS there seems little doubt racism is hard wired into the Collingwood football club. Rhe whole culture is embedded with it. I suspect you ate old enough to have attended games at Vic Park. Sure racist vitriol happened at all grounds but it was at a whole other level at Vic Park. That only happens when it is supported by culture and the leadership. It was only a few months ago the horrendous treatment of Robbie muir was being discussed. Bad everywhere but of course another level at Collingwood. Did they apologise? Of course not. This is the club thst has a a president who serves for more than two decades who is an out and out racist. Mcallister I'm talking about. He of the they're ok as long as they act like whites infamy. He only remains in power because of the support he receives from the board, powerful supporters and the general fan. Then not long after they install another president for another couple of decades. Not as overtly racist. But has done little to change the culture and famously, only a few days after tearfully addressing a pies fan's racism, makes a 'joke' about goodes promoting king Kong. And then comes out with yesterday's rubbish. It is ridiculous to suggest it is an individual issue. Again McGuire only stays in power with the support or the board and movers and shakers. If all of that doesn't point to it being a systematic issue I don't know does. So it comes as zero surprise that a review by two respected academics found the racism at the club to be systematic and endemic.

Not bad. Or just split a kayo sub 2 or 3 ways with mates

I was referring to the AFL pro vision which gives video of very involvement (kick, handball, once percenter, tackle, free for, free against, score, score involvement, mark) of every player in every game. Love it Agree the stats are pretty average. I assume the pro vision is the software that generates the stats. The thing i like about the replays on AFL.com via AFL live is that they slice it up into quarters and have no extraneous [censored]. So you can watch what you want without searching on the kayo replay which is one long file. kayo is good option for replays where you want to watch the pre game stuff, quarter time break stuff and post game interviews and analysis etc. Also the AFL replays are not available until 24 hours after the game whereas kayo are available immediately (or even whilst the game is on)

Yep, i reckon we ought be careful about casting too many aspersions. We will have our history i'm sure.

Great. I've got kayo already. So now I lose tge benefit of the afl app.what does tbst mean for the replay library and afl pro (which is what I mainly use afl live for)? I have to pay for live pass to use?

Wish this game was at Punt road. I watched us play part of a casey v tiger's match prior to a dees game a few years back, but have never watched a full game or sat in the stand.

same spot as dl4e?

Which is why I said at the risk of generalising Subjective? Yes - which is why i prefaced my comment with 'i think' Stereotyping? Maybe. Is a positive stereotype (assuming you think compromise and preparedness to share power are postive) better than a negative one?