Mad_Melbourne

I’d argue it does not improve our list. Midfield depth is not our issue, based on talent I think we have the most stacked midfield in the competition. Sacrificing a key forward for a developing midfielder and an already proven midfielder is not what we need. there is nothing reasonable about the suggestion of trading Hogan, there is no logic to it unless he has asked for a trade. It’s honestly one of the most ridiculous list management suggestions since, well ever.

The trade Hogan debate is much like a trade Oliver debate. It’s ridiculous, but if a team (like Richmond) would give us Cotchin, Dusty and draft picks, we’d take it. People saying Wiedemans form proves the possibility that Hogan isn’t first selection, flat ridiculous. We have a 50+ goal forward vs at best a 20 odd goal forward. Has wiedeman held his own, yes, but that isn’t the question, plus I’d suggest all 3 of our keys can fit. Also Hogan in the backline is a silly suggestion, it removes most of his natural talents in my opinion, plus why would we bother when Lever (the best intercept marker in the competition) will come back.

I’m still shocked that people done realise the majority of the second half Frost was on Hawkins last game. That said I genuinely don’t think we match up poorly against them in any area of the field. If we are able to change lanes consistently and use it well/convert inside 50 we will win. Dangerfiel and Selwood putting the team on their back is somewhat of a worry, it I don’t think our midfield is outmatched by any in the comp.

I’m not sure which moment this was, but there was one where he missed it by a bees willy coming back for the intercept or spoil. From this I’d suggest (as most players on the first line often are) is to leave a space that encourages the kick but can most likely close it down, trying to create the turnover. His strength would not be playing back shoulder in a zone but pushing back or forward to intercept. When it doesn’t come off it opens, but it happened once with Clayton Oliver as well and I’m sure by going through actual footage multiple options are given like this, but the turnovers created are often dangerous.

Good contribution knuckle dragger. The ball definitely swings strongly and looks like he miskicked it. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t aiming at goals, but he definitely didn’t kick it sweetly

I think he miskicked that from the TV. Looked like one of those ones that curved late due to a miskick, could be wrong though

Interviewed me the rooms after the game, nothing in it just said he sent an email to the team after the game last week, before the media reports of over celebrating but was trying to remind everyone there was a game next week. Never mentioned himself over celebrating

I think Frost has been very good, since coming up from the VFL. I initially thought we couldn’t feature a backline with 3 talls. But I think he could successfully play in the backline with Lever and OMac next year. He offers a significant point of difference and is much improved at picking the time to leave his player. Franklin playing up the ground suited Frost but he also played a much less attacking role this week.

I will preface by saying I did want to keep Watts and think that he would have been able to help hitting up targets inside 50 this year, but also think that Fritsch was an acceptable trade off. But, I never stated anything about wanting to trade Oliver, I said almost, Hogan is top 5 in our untradeables, and would be close to top 3. Gawn and Oliver are 1/2. I think you are flat out wrong, he’s nearly been our most important player this year. His early year form was at all Australian level. I will agree that his pressure on the ground could improve, but will put that down to efforts in the air and km covered. Its ridiculous for people to call for him to be traded. But sure, if we get the right compensation he is tradeable. As with anyone. If we got Grundy and Sidebottom for Gawn I’d trade Gawn, but it’s unrealistic. To trade Hogan for draft picks is ridiculous

Not stirring at all, people who call for the trade of Hogan have the footy acumen of a sponge. He is close to the most untradable player on our list, his efforts this year have been far superior to what’s is portrayed by the gooses that suggest his trade. Trading Hogan, puts us back 4-5 years. There is no legitimate reason to trade him and suggestions from anyone to do it is just stupid. The further calls of playing him in VFL and playing Pederson as a forward are stupid. While I’m at it suggestion of trading Petracca is stupid also. So yep

Frost tried manfully, we lucked out buddy didn’t kick well. 100% if same game had of been OMac everyone would have lambasted his effort allowing Buddy to have so many shots on goals. The demonland story

Go to bed mate

Interviews of players should only be conducted of the players with nooses around their necks after games where the fans aren’t happy. Harmes was a Melbourne supporter growing up. The game was a loss sure, but at the end of the day he is enjoying his footy as he is playing well, for the most part the team is playing well and at the end of yhexday to suggest players don’t care is out right ridiculous

Not to mention it highlights his deficiencies, out bodied in multiple marking contests and also goes at the footy with One hand too often

People on demonland reveal their lack of knowledge about football quite often. They are done through: trade hogan trade petracca play pederson to name a few

It’s not like he’s wrong, he’s a great bloke and playing good football at VFL but with a Sydney side have 2 key forward (counting mccarten is almost a big of a joke) and one ruckman. For us to play 3 tall defenders is ridiculous. the Selection was always one that was going to make it easier for Sydney to score That doesn’t excuse Nathan Jones, Jayden Hunt, Alex Neal-Bullen, JKH, Spargo for having absolute stinkers

Lost the game at selection, we picked a side that was too tall/too slow, they made the ground large and their smalls were always dangerous. Also, is any one else frustrated that we have the slowest and least agile smalls in ever. Gartlett and Hannan have speed and lateral movement but Spargo, JKH, Neal-Bullen(who can run) are slowish and very easily turned.

Can we send Pederson, JKH and Neal-Bullen to the car park, 3 of us are constant momentum killers. Fritsch goes for it with one arm too often and is so easily bodied off the contest

Lucky for us Sydney have 2 on the bench, because our mistake at the selection table is already hurting us. They get out the back far too quickly with our top heavy slow backline. Midfield is getting beaten as well, but will be punished on every turn over based on how we have selected the team.

It’s a bit of an exaggeration, but offensively and defensively last year Hunts speed was a weapon. This year he didn’t find the balance, often caught out of position especially defensively early in the year. Vince is slow, but by reading the play well for the most part he was able to influence more contests whilst both were playing. Hunt is clearly the quicker player, but putting yourself out of position kind of negates that, no?

I am not disagreeing with that, he’s played well at VFL level and on form deserves to be picked. But team balance is a consideration. The whole “know better than the coaches” is counter intuitive to any discussion and you have provided little in the way of helping me understand he reason he is selected. Cheers

I’d like to be proved wrong and see Pederson blistering pace and sure hands influence multiple contests in the air, I just don’t think he’s got it in him. If Gawn is not up to play, I would not play him. Then I can see why we’d bring Pederson in to compete in the ruck. If Pederson is playing as a key position defender, as he has been in the vfl, I think it’s not a good fit for him. McCarten and Franklin both far too mobile for him, take him on a lead up the ground, change directions and they’ll have lost him as he’s got an arc bigger than an 18 wheeler. I just can’t see the logic in selection unless Gawn is out of the side? How can you see the logic of him playing anywhere else but ruck?

Pederson is not quick, Jayden Hunt is quick i agree, but in terms of contest to contest Smith is quicker and id almost suggest throughout the year Vince has been quicker defensively than Hunt. Seeing your one of the most mobile calls makes me think you’re taking the P one 55 I understand the want for Pederson in the side of form, but there is no way he is a logical player unless Gawn is out. Edit: look across the board at the sydney side and say one match up defensively that Pederson is favourable in, I can’t see it.

I really think we’ve made a large selection error, unless Gawn is going to be a late change. They have one actual key forward, who is athletic and we are going in with a larger and slower side even with the swap of Hunt for Vince. We do not need 3 proper key position sized players. Watch Franklin play up the ground and Sydney score goals out the back. I think 3 key tall backs is a grave mistake against most forward lines, especially someone who covers the ground so poorly as Pederson. Bloody heck, I hope I’m wrong but I think it would be a change that Sydney would appreciate

My old man last night said to me “ANB is a second tier player”. Thinking about him like this makes me happier about him. He’s never going to be elite, or even very good. But he’ll rotate from bad - good and often in the time frame of one game. Expecting this makes me appreciate that he really shouldn’t be dropped.