Webber

Selfless and sensible, CYB.

Agree rpfc, but the govt have no stomach for this at the moment. Despite other countries doing it, the outcry from the unvaccinated (particularly those who’ve actively chosen not to) will be too noisy.

Didn’t David King say we had to win the flag this year, because the Dogs have the oncoming talent to wrap it up for the next 3 or 4? He really has no idea.

Just a sneaky wonder if Joel Smith might get the Hunt gig. If Tmac doesn’t get up, and Weid is played for Sunday’s drier day, who comes out? Melksham? Not likely. Sparrow?

I reckon too, deever. He was showing very good signs up forward in 2019. Will be our next back to forward conversion, à la David Neitz. And Tmac of course.

No need faulty.

And murdered, consistently and systematically.

Great point Lord Nev. I’m a white Anglo male, none more identifiably privileged as part of a powerful majority. The only ‘racism’ I’ve ever encountered, and I use the word with a certain irony, was in my first week living in London in the 90’s and going into a ‘corner shop’ in the heart of Brixton (where I ultimately ended up living for 5 years). To say I was given the cold shoulder by its Caribbean proprietors - no eye contact, no direct address, and very frosty (there were maybe 6 people in the shop) is an understatement. It was very awkwardly apparent I wasn’t welcome. The odd thing was that my immediate reaction, beyond discomfort, was not to be offended, just chastened. It was the only experience I’ve had of being in minority and made to feel bad about it. And of course I could immediately leave, resume my place in the privileged majority, and nor was I threatened, in danger or belittled, not even a whiff of the offenses that real minorities are consistently subject to. The idea that ‘racism doesn’t just happen to minorities’ and that the majority (who have all the power) can feel or claim any understanding is not them just missing the point, as you say, it’s deliberately obfuscating from the real problem in order to justify their active bigotry.

That would be the leopard having to change its spots, deanox.

And why would that alter my opinion on your use of labelling as an identity pejorative?

Which are really interesting, and clearly exceptionally informed.

More labelling.

Made of tough stuff were those post war arrivals, JCB.

Perfectly summarised.

Wow, you just don’t get it. I was not in any way personalising it, merely suggesting that he may have seen it happen. You and I have no idea about his experiences, but nor was I claiming to know them. Anyway, you’ve gone and misrepresented me…..I’ll leave you happy in the fact.

And there’s the wonderful truth, WCW.

Best not to accuse me of generalising, Luci. I’m happy for your experience, would that it weren’t just yours. I have seen racism vocalised by pretty much every culture with which I’ve come into contact, undoubtedly most egregiously and most harmfully by the dominant culture in this country, Anglo-saxon and Celtic. As I said, and have made the point, it’s heftily generational. It is also almost entirely projected onto other minority cultures. Be very very careful not to misrepresent my experiences and attitude.

It is getting better though, Dr.G. The current generation of millennials and newer, they just don’t have the same bigotries. For those I know, gender, race and sexual preference really mean nothing to them in a judgemental or hierarchical sense. It constantly surprises and fills me with hope. And the beauty is, most of it is unconscious, they just live, let live and respect. Growing up in the 70’s in Melbourne, probably then and now this country’s most progressive society, (and excuse my referencing, it’s only for historical context) it was all Wogs, Abos, Chinks, Yugos and so on. We’ve come a long way, and I’m grateful that the kids today truly hold the future.

“By“ and to others, obviously not ‘their own’. Presuming they were immigrant Italians, they would’ve copped it of course. Being of a certain generation, they most likely gave it as well.

And even seen it perpetrated by his family elders.

To the point on anonymity and accountability, I wonder how many on Demonland would willingly be known by their real names, with full disclosure about their personal circumstances …age, gender, occupation, etc? Avatars are fun, but why do we need them?

None of that is deserved.

4 years on, same story, no solution. The weirdest part of our multi-billion dollar game.

Yep. This exactly. And Yeo kept shaking his head, like the coathanger he gave Kozzie, as the umpire in fact called it, just somehow didn’t happen. Gobsmacking.

BoBo’s summary of contextualised racism nails the distinction terrifically, particularly for those dinosaurs and brainwashed haters who hang onto their ‘white man’ grievances for grim death, and distinctions between overt undisguised racism such as Tex Walker’s, and online anonymity are equally true. The fact remains though that we ARE in a new and completely unfettered era of anonymity. What used to be graffitied on walls or stuck on posters is now online - unaccountable and pathologically designed to provoke. Despite the poison they spill and the pain it inflicts, I’m not sure that who they are is important, particularly given that what they say makes them valueless. What is certain is that if they were identifiable in the ‘real world’, 99% of them would stop. What bothers so many of us is there appears to be no way, ever, of creating or enforcing that identification or accountability. And as others have mentioned, it’s insidious in its ability to foster hatred and misinformation. But it may also be the single remaining protection for those given to antipathetic, prejudiced and bigoted behaviours, the last place they can hide. So much progress has been made, particularly in the last 3 generations, in understanding, fostering and promoting humane equity to nullify those behaviours that I believe, perhaps hope, it simply can’t be stopped. But whilst gender, sexual preference, religion and race bigotries are all becoming less practised as societally justifiable reasons for prejudice, it’s hardly odd that the pointy, grimly resistant vestiges are the noisiest and most aggressive. The softer, more influencable hearts have already shifted. If only we could bring those remainders to personal, real world account.