Inner Demon

Would a sign of someone being a good leader at an AFL club be that their teammates vote for them as leaders in an open forum??

Nope, you just don't understand how this stuff works in reality.

The term "match-worn" refers to the guernsey actually being worn in a match on the back of a competing player. For example, James McDonald comes off the field, takes off his guernsey, signs it, and it is then sold through the shop. That is what happens with those one-off guernseys. They are totally different to the sales of clash guernseys. These sit on the rack all year long, selling in very low volumes, much the same as the regular guernsey until the end of the year when the inevitable 'fire sale' of stock comes along and they're sold close to cost.

The time and cost spent on designing and manufacturing the guernseys is one thing, it is worth noting this isn't done by a bloke sitting at a desk at the club while munching on a sandwich, Reebok has to do it and there's lengthy consultation processes undertaken between Reebok & MFC, then MFC & AFL, then back to MFC & Reebok and round and round until we get what we have.

I'm not out of touch, I'm up to the minute.

Normally I'd have no room for this kind of sentiment when selecting a team, but for some reason I really do this week. I know that Gysberts & Macdonald have earned the spots, but I would really, really love to see Oz & Jet get a run this week!!

I believe we should bring in Miller even if Bate plays. I alsowould consider playing Newton as well.

Half sensible.

ID - do you know this for a fact? My understanding is all sales of AFL licensed merchandise is a small portion of revenue for the clubs. As it the clubs who own the branding. The AFL owns the merchandise. Therefore the clubs receive royalties on sales of goods? I may be wrong, but I thought the deal is we get 100% of profit from The Demon Shop. That is why we are encouraged to buy from them.

"They don't sell in nearly large enough volumes to justify this cost"

I accept your point. But if we have a strong clash jumper, isn't it only going to sell more. Therefore more $$ to the club? I used the example of the 'Heritage round' jumpers in another thread last week. The club only orders a small number of these for sales and they, almost without fail, sell out every year. Therefore based on sales figures and the number of orders they would get, they would re-order more. I see clash jumper sales in much the same way, if people are interested in buying them order a few to begin with then more if necessary. But you will only sell a heap if they are decent. Currently no-one wants a clash jumper.

I do know that for a fact. You are correct that we get 100% of the profits from sales in The Demon Shop but we don't see a cent of sales from Rebel Sport, for example. Mind you, that's fairly irrelevant to this particular discussion as you would probably find it hard enough to find MFC home guernseys in many stores, let alone any clash guernseys. I also think you would be surprised at how well the clash guernseys currently sell in our shop. Just because you don't want one doesn't mean nobody else does.

On balance, considering the level of investment of both time and money to come up with new designs for a new clash guernsey every single year, the amount of money the club could reap from all this work would be minimal, if not negative. Yes, the one-off guernseys like Heritage sell well, but that's because they are match-worn and have added value as a result. They don't have those guernseys sitting on the rack in the shop.

I have home & away membership & tried to get seats on net today. They wanted $97.00 for 2. It wouldn't let me enter the bar codes on my season tickets.

If you settle for non-membership reserved seating you'll get them for $28 each.

Our MCC Members can purchase a 0 game membership for just $50 and be included in this figure already.

It is most definitely Miller time. He's smashing them in the VFL, he's played himself into form, he deserves another opportunity.

Who else do we bring in for a tall forward option?? Newton???

He was so ordinary that Gotch felt it necessary to mention Miller again when reviewing him!!

Why wouldn't the club roll out a new preseason/clash strip every year ID? They make money from selling them. everyone wants something 'gimmicky'. I remember as a kid, having to have each new jumper each season if so far as much as the sponsor's logo changed.

Brettmcg has a bit of marketing knowledge. Wonder what he thinks....

IMO our Red clash jumper looks like a very cheap training jumper.

I also have a marketing degree, so I will share my thoughts on that question if you'd like.

Having a new clash guernsey designed every year and set into production is costly. They don't sell in nearly large enough volumes to justify this cost. Considering the only guernsey sales the club actually sees any revenue from whatsover are those through the shop in Brunton Ave and online, the revenue from sale of guernseys is insignificant at best.

Furthermore, the to-ing and fro-ing with the AFL in getting the new clash guernseys approved, (the AFL must approve them to be non-clashing against the guernseys they have already deigned to be clashes with our regular strip), is still more time wasted by the limited resources of the club over a comparatively insignificant matter, considering the number of other pressing matters for the club to attend to.

And judging by his stance in another thread recently, I would be amazed if Brettmcg backflipped from being dead against a one-off strip change in the name of charity to being supportive of an annually changing strip.

Well no, not exactly. He hasn't snapped his leg clean in half again.

Wrong again.

I'm not wrong at all.

Frawley has been highly rated from Day 1, hence the use of a first round draft pick on him. Much like the present situation with Watts, it was known he had the tools to be a player once his body had developed and he had a few games under his belt.

Moreso the case with Garland. For years if you asked anybody in the FD, other players included, who the most talented up and coming players on the list were, you would've had Garland's name shot back at you.

These are the facts.

You may be getting confused with 'experts' on here declaring Frawley & Garland to be no good after 2 games, I can assure you those within the club were not so short-sighted.

not good news about blease. does anyone knows whats wrong ?

A source at the club tells me that he's hurt his leg. Should be right in 2-3 weeks.

If I remember correctly Frawley was once a rotten banana, as was Garland. I'll trust in the FD on this one.

You don't remember correctly at all.

You can probably save yourselves some time on the dream clash guernsey designs guys. Jimmy wanted the Demon back. Everyone said they also wanted the Demon back. We've now got the Demon back as well as an entirely red & blue clash strip. The club isn't going to waste energy year on year trying to make everybody fall in love with the guernsey we're only forced to wear 2-3 times each year.

MFC website

Matthew Bate (ankle) test

Sam Blease (leg) 2-3 weeks

Cameron Bruce (hamstring) test

Jack Fitzpatrick (shoulder) 2-3 weeks

Max Gawn (knee) indefinite

Liam Jurrah (shoulder) 5-6 weeks

Stefan Martin (hip) 1 week

John Meesen (ankle) indefinite

Ricky Petterd (shoulder) season

Luke Tapscott (hip) 6-8 weeks

Good news for Brucey to come up as Test after Larkins' early prediction of 2-3. Ditto Bate being some chance of coming up.

Poor Sammy Blease still not getting a fair run at it. Important to remember just how much time is on his side though.

SUPER exciting to see some numbers alongside LJ now rather than the ugly Indefinite. Gives some genuine hope we'll see him in the last 5-6 games of the year.

Ugh.

I sincerely hope your source at the Club is a waterboy or similar. I'd be most alarmed if a Tim Harrington or similar seriously thought any of these 2nd/3rd bananas is worth giving up anything to acquire.

I looked at all reserved seats and the cheapest I could get was $55...opted for the $26 GA option instead

You're not very good at the internet. Just booked reserved seats behind goals for $28 each (inc. handling fee).

Not an easy job being on the MFC Match Committee these days, for all the right reasons.

It's going to be really hard to keep Joel Mac & Miller out of this week's team based on the VFL reports. Joel has dominated the game with 32 touches and a goal off half-back while Miller has strung together 3 straight weeks of big performances for 10.6 goals in 3 weeks.

Conversely it seems Jetta & Wona are only really getting a good half in and not pushing their form through a full game.

Then you've got to deal with when to bring in Gysberts as well.

Exciting stuff.

This isn't the Club's game to promote. They have absolutely no way of reserving seats for MFC supporters to encourage them to attend.

KB is sometimes away with the fairies. No more than he was this morning. P.Smith had likened Watts to when Hird started out. KB tried to hose P.Smith down by saying that Hird "burst onto the scene" and that Watts hasn't. Patrick reminded KB that Watts had just played his 4th AFL game.

Furthermore, Hird "burst onto the scene" when he kicked 6 early in his 2nd season when he was 20. So on the "Hird timeline", Jack has a full year up his sleeve before he has to measure up.

You're wrong on this one.

I think you're right.

I'm not a fan of the "in-between" captain, but based on that I can't see Bailey giving Grimes a captaincy role anytime soon. But on the other hand I also can't see him giving Green the role either.

Dean Bailey doesn't appoint the captain, it's voted on by the full playing group with no Board or Football Department input.

I would suggest a choice along the lines of the following was put to us by the AFL at fixture time in response to our request to finally get a home game v Ess at The G this season:

Get this home fixture you want along with the financial benefits associated with drawing 40K+ but concede the jumper kerfuffle for one game

OR

Wear your precious home guernsey in a home game v Freo in a Sunday twilight fixture that might be squeezed to Etihad Stadium to make way for a better game.

Your choice???

Bennell kicked the ball WAY too late, he could've hit Jack in stride about 20m out from goal, but by the time he'd taken a bounce and kept running Jack was in the goalsquare with no more space to lead back to and the kick wasn't so much a pass as a shanked shot at goal as a result of indecision.

The ball wound up hooking viciously away over the opposite shoulder to what Jack had been calling over and dipping towards the far behind post when Jack was in the goalsquare moving towards the near goalpost. Frankly, it was a remarkable display of his agility that he even managed to get hands to it.

Wonderful example of taking two unrelated facts and trying to connect them to prove a false point.

North had no supporters when they were the Team of the 90s, winning flags, with the best player in the comp smashing everyone in his path and there was no such thing as clash jumpers. They still have no supporters, and it's not because all their latent supporters were sitting back in the glory years saying, "In 10 years time when clash jumpers enter the AFL lexicon, I'm going to see if this Club takes a belligerent stance before jumping on board".

Hawthorn have introduced a white alternative strip, yet their membership continues to climb at alarming rates. Doesn't seem as if the Hawthorn supporters have jumped off in protest of a white guernsey.

Your argument is flawed at a fundamental level. Clash guernseys have absolutely zero to do with supporter loyalty or club success. Collingwood are at the vanguard of the "We won't wear a clash guernsey" argument yet they've won as many flags in the last 50 years as we have. Seems to me winning a flag might not have a great deal of connection to the ancient notion of "playing for the jumper" that is as outdated as the place kick.

If we wound up wearing the white strip and smashing Essendon by 100 with Scully & Trenners racking up 30 each and Watts kicking 8 there wouldn't be a single post the following week about what colour our guernsey was.