Dr. Gonzo

Meh, pretty average clip though it looks like it's taken from 1 game. Nothing that entices there though. Now this kid looks kid, only concern would be size but he would look great on a wing. The obvious caveat being this is the only tape I've seen of either of these kids.

oMac is contracted Frost is not. That's about the only difference in the club's position on the 2.

Hore May Jetta Salem Lever Hibberd Where does Frost fit in?

Of course you don't let them off the hook but you can't get rid of 25 players in one hit Frost just happens to be unfortunate enough to play a position we have a few options in. If he was a small forward his turnovers wouldn't be so much of an issue and he'd probably have a contract. Alas as a key defender he's always going to be on borrowed time when we have May Lever OMac (regardless what you might think if him) and Petty in a development role

Jesus wept Nah what makes him standout is the amount of times his turnovers go flying back over our defenders heads for an opposition score

How is this year's looking?

This was what Yze was originally brought in to do at the Hawks

One of our biggest issues in 2019 was scores from turnovers. One of our biggest culprits was Frost. It's not rocket science to say " see ya later" if he's asking for more than we're willing to pay.

When Hore was injured?

If they're all out injured throughout the year we're not gonna be playing finals anyway.

I think you've got this back to front

He wasn't "best 22" he got games due to our diabolical injury list

Because he's not that good, doesnt hold his position and is the biggest culprit for turning the ball over and being scored against.

If we have a fit list Frost doesn't get a game.

Sorry mate, I meant who would you trade in for pick 3? It's all well and good to say " a Prestia or Shiel type" but if there's none on the market there's not much you can do about it except take it to the draft.

That should be "trade" not draft, can't edit the post

We should've taken Darling but got spooked from the propaganda coming out of WA . Taking Gysberts before Talia was another massive error that people called at the time. Toumpas over wines as well. None of these are hindsight, most thought this at the time

I wanted Lynch and was annoyed Gold Coast got him the pick before us. I thought it was stupid we didn't then take Darling. But other than a handful of players I wouldn't have known much about these kids being drafted. I don't think I'd even heard much if anything about Lucas cook before we drafted him but I could be wrong, it was 10 years ago

Not sure why you're being so aggressive about it, I wanted Scully and Trengove, I thought the selections of Gysberts, Cook and Toumpas were mistakes. Buy it's not up to me, what the hell do I know? I might see 5 minutes of YouTube highlights on these kids if I'm lucky, we employ people whose job it is to know this stuff. The draft isn't the panacea but it can't be ignored altogether. Do that and you're stuffed. The fact is it is a lottery but the more chances you have the more chances you have to get it right. You also need to have the right environment to bring these kids into and let them develop, expecting them to put the team on their back and drag them up the ladder is doomed to failure.

Who would you draft our pick 3 for?

It depends on the ability to identify talent/traits, the ability to identify what YOUR team needs and how that player will fit in to your structures and the environment they're coming in to The Cleveland Browns can keep drafting top 3 picks til the cows come home and theyre out if the league in 3 years while the Patriots keep picking in the 20s/30s and finding guys who plug gaps in their next Superbowl team.

But it's not the draft per se that's the problem. If we selected Dangerfield instead of Morton, nicnat over watts, Martin over trengove Wines over toumpas etc things would be seen a hell of a lot differently. It's easy to say in hindsight but a lot of these were not outrageous (probably Dangerfield was never in the discussion but the rest certainly were hotly debated).

I was definitely all in on the strategy, including tanking to ensure we secured the priority pick. I am not saying the strategy was wrong, just the execution. Drafting is an inexact science especially in our game where we take kids out of high school and expect them to come into a bottom placed team and singlehandedly drag them back up the ladder. I don't think you can discount the draft though, it's still the best way to secure elite talent. You can trade out draft picks but the chances of prying an elite player from an opposition team is extremely small even if you do offer them a top draft pick or 2 in return. The answer in my mind is to target mid-upper range players via trade, continue to identify the traits that can't be taught in drafting (skill, game awareness and competitiveness) and too up with free agency. If the FA rules are changed this will give more flexibility in securing talent via this method but as it stands it is extremely unlikely you will get a guy like Tom lybch via FA, it's more likely to be a guy like Tomlinson.

I agree wholeheartedly, I can't believe we haven't been linked to any of Papley, Martin or Brad Hill. These guys are the exact kind of players we need. It's a bit disheartening as either we haven't bothered or were quickly rebuffed.

The AFL has been involved in the running of clubs since the Commission was formed because the club's have proven time and again that they are incapable of running themselves. Look what happened to our club when left to our own devices. Thankfully the AFL stepped in giving us Roos and Jackson to help us operate like a professional organisation. I'm not saying the AFL is perfect, in fact it is extremely amateurish and incompetent in many facets. But if all they were measured by was the viability of the club's and the competition they would be seen as resoundingly successful.