DemonDan...

Are you saying I bring your turtle out?

Great.. now the missus is looking at me all strange.

I think you bring the 'grumpy turtle' out in everyone Stuie.. just by being you.

We obviously did a deal to get Viney at 26.

The world knew we were going to take Viney no matter what so the deal had to be done, Hogan was always apart of that deal and we chose Toumpas ahead of Wines, there was no way to get all three.

Well 'the whole world' also rated Viney at about pick 6 - 8 and i dont think GWS wouldve taken him before then. We should know Sheedy by now.

So we agree to disagree.. and TSFKA has got it right. We'll never know.

My point is - i, personally, would rather stack the midfield (and the backline) before the forward line.. For me, Viney, Toumpas AND Wines along with Jones, is akin to Brisbanes 'Fab Four' from a decade ago..

Some will agree, some wont.. makes for an interesting discussion tho..

FMD What a sook! Show me this quote of me winning tool of the week champ?

Wines hasn't played an AFL game yet, none of the draftees have, so might be a little premature in judging his career at this stage.

PS- Where have I been slagging you off in other threads?

Why am i looking at a gif of you making your boyfriend cry?

..and anyone involved in the gameday thread knows what im talking about.

Bottom line is that had we not traded pick 3, GWS would have forced us to take Viney with it.

And I can't believe you'd wish Hogan away anyway.

Ah, see youre making that assumption! When GWS clearly said that they always had the intention of picking the 3 players they did - because they basically grew up/played footy together, while growing up.

I think they shyed away from Toumpas because of the hip problems.. clubs do that to kids with injuries all the time..just look at our own Sam blease

And at NO STAGE did i 'wish Hogan away' - in fact i proposed that we could have a real dip at him in this years draft, just 1 page back in fact..

Howd you miss that?

We haven't played a game yet.

For what it's worth I think Viney will be the pick of the bunch, harder at it than Wines, better break away pace and a better kick.

At least im commenting on 3 or 4 games that these kids have played really well in.. Wines BOG against us for eg,

Where as Viney played ok in 1..

BUT youre telling me he will be the pick of the bunch?..

Should i remind you "WE havent played a game yet?" or did i see that somewhere recently..

We matched St Kilda in Inside 50s in our third practice match of 2013, and yet we lost. While that may be because our mids have crappy disposal, the more likely reason was because our forwards didn't position themselves to properly take advantage of the ball coming in.

Can see your point, but after viewing the game on replay, i feel a proper midfield is still 1-2 players and 3-4 years away from having any real effect.. and something that we shouldve put more focus on - if it was possible.

Nah - we could've had both. One in the second round and one in the third.

Disagree with this part of the post on a number of fronts. Number one being that Toumpass/Wines wouldn't have last to 13.

Disagree because Hogan looks like a superstar of the competition in the future, something I don't see in Wines.

Lastly, I disagree because I think the Hogan deal was part of what allowed us to get Viney in the second round.

I think we couldve got Toumpas at 3, Wines at 4 and Viney at 26? ..apologises if im wrong or have forgotten about something.. (AND still had a real dip at getting Hogan in this years draft)

i agree on Hogan having every chance to be a star - but Wines has been one of the best players in the whole NAB Cup series and been best or in the best every game from memory!

..and you dont see superstar?

I see superstar in Wines, Vlaustin and of course Whitfield from this years draft so far.. (we know Viney has it - but just hasnt been in a position to show it yet)

INHO of course!

EDIT: id guess if there was a shifty deal between us and gws for a 'hogan/barry/pick 3/leave toumpas for us deal' we would have been sprung by now

Can this troll be banned from starting threads? Seeing Ollie Wines isn't the son of a former player you are just showing your stupidity.

Can THIS troll be banned from posting in threads? I mean, you show your stupidity in every post.

After your efforts for winning tool of the week in the 'gameday thread' a couple of days ago - you have the nerve to hark up at someone else?

Fool.

BTW - my pick of Wines as the best mid, inside / outside from the draft a few months ago.. wasnt too far off huh? You were in the process of disagreeing when we last spoke..

That was before you began slagging me off in other threads..

This is a joke right?

Because the decision to recruit Toumpas meant we couldn't get Wines.

I really think we messed up not taking all 3 (Wines instead of Hogan - then Toumpas and Viney) -besides the fact were short on mids,

its no good having an elite forward line if it doesnt get down there..

Lovin the 'Hulk', but for me - its mids, mids, mids..

Jones has had to operate singlehanded JJJ. I reckon he has a t least earned his place with those two.

Couldnt have said it better..

Why is it doubtful?

Selwood had Ablett, Bartel, Kelly, Chappy, Johnson..

Judd had Cousins, Matera, Kerr, Fletcher, Embley..

Viney has Jones.

(Jones had NO-ONE)

EDIT:

My little bro is a North supporter, so i kinda keep an ear out for them in the news etc and chat to him about them..

i reckon theyll push top 4 this year.

Its a bummer we have to play them 1st up.. it may have been a contest against the tiges - both teams fresh.. may have even pinched a win.

But north will be way too good for us and then we play the Tiges in the 2nd game while theyre fresh..

Imo, itll be more about seeing how the newbies go about it and trying to detect some assemblance of the gameplan..

'This time i'm playing to win' - LRB

You're basing his whole form on one kick? One kick?

I'm not convinced - his footy was horrible last year and it'll take a massive turn around for me start believing that he will add value to this team.

How'd you get to that conclusion?

... and we know injuries ... broken legs ... blease, strauss for eg.

He was still limping at the start of this season FFS, of course his footy wasnt great last year.

Just watched a replay with some mates who missed it ...

(BTW - i missed a handball in the 3rd and 2 kicks at the start of the 4th qtr - so i reckon 14 touches for the game, not 11)

Point is, there was plenty of run, run to space and/or position, 2nd and 3rd efforts, controlled intensity, sublime skills - he got pinned in the third by young Vlastuin and I reckon that was his only boo-boo.

It was the Aaron davey of old - if you dont believe me, watch for yourself when you can:

Let's just hope his body gives him the chance to keep it up.

Listen for him being talked about at the start of the half time break and during the 3 qtr time break.. (and throughout the telecast as well).

... and look for the No.8 - or a big indige-afro type do...

quote name="CBDees" post="694877" timestamp="1360356812"]

Probably because they mixed the two of them up.

We take the money we wouldve given to him this year and effectively give it straight to Pederson or Byrnes..

and thats money well spent!

Cheers and better luck back home Cale..

I read somewhere he had an off field issue.. more than once.

Wont say what it was because the post will just get pulled..

But it would explain why he's gone.. and maybe why he's gone interstate..

Trust Neeld.. he's been with the best.

RD:1

Friday,

Feb 22

6:45pm EDT Etihad Stadium Richmond Melbourne North Melbourne FOX FOOTY

Full fixture:

http://www.afl.com.a...97/Default.aspx

From Afl.com..

"Pedersen is not the only player still in the Demons' sights, with former Richmond and Port Adelaide midfielder David Rodan touring Melbourne's AAMI Park facilities recently.

Rodan was delisted by Port Adelaide earlier this month so would be available as a free agent at the end of the trade period if the Demons decided to pursue him.

Rodan turned 29 in early October and has played 176 games since his debut in 2002."

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/150141/default.aspx

I would never have guessed.

Aww, you snotty 'cause i didnt put a pic up for ya?

No wait.. youre just snotty.

Woah! What the hell is going on with that guy's eyeball?

My mate has a 'Prince Albert' - which might be worse!

you learn and move on , , if you sook all week , you just get beat again

Whoomp! Dere it is..

Its humorous that someone very close to the club assured people that we would take Wines at no.4 if he was still there..

but yet here we are discussing it.

I like Wines but he seems to hunt the ball not naturally read it.

Thought this was a bit odd..

When Shifter Sheehan presented Wines with 'player of the TAC cup' on Future Stars about 3 weeks ago, he specifically mentioned that:

'Wines is not the fastest player, but still gets to the ball 1st and away from packs because his reading of the play was so good raw pace didnt matter' (or words to that effect)

Love that quote - a bit different from the quote from Watts a couple of years ago that losing doesn't hurt or something.

Yeah -"he moves on"

Smart. If youve ever played sport at a high enough level you'd know why.

Oliver Wines at Pick 4 lock it in.

Good to see you around the place HG..

Getting Wines is the difference between a really good draft period and a fracking great one, IMO..

How about you and olisik stop clogging up the boards

2nd that..

I recommend you put me on ignore. It will serve two purposes. You won't see my posts and in turn you won't bore me with your complaints.

Soon everyone will have you on ignore and you'll be talking to yourself..

Just got to hope GWS won't bid on him as they'll most likely take Whitfield, Toumpas & Grundy.

Fact is Wines has been told we will take him if he's available.

Would be great if in amongst the whole Hogan / Barry deal, there was a 'gentlemans agreement' that wines would be left for us at no.4..

the way weve been going about it of late, it wouldnt surprise me!

How funny... We've now got to the point of arguing over Porsches, ferraris and Lambos.!!

Wines is a Veyron..

http://www.sen.com.a...Harrington/6138

Sounds like Dawes has already been shown thru the place!

No need for thanks, although I acknowledge the gesture.

You're as thick as a brick mate, so I think of it as my civic duty.

Now look little fella.. dont get frustrated.

youre upset because i called you out for having such a big boner for viney.. its clouded your judgement on many things, many times..

you can be upset at me all you like, but ill just keep shooting you down..

you can drag it into every thread if you like, but people will get [censored] at you for doing it.. not me, because they have to sift through all your crap to get to something readable..

Now look at the above posts, EVERYONE agrees that Denham hates the MFC.. its just a known fact, you can argue otherwise - but youll just look like a fool..again..

Ok, are we finished now Benny boy.. or do you provide me more amusement at your expense? Cause im happy just to move on without your characteristically incompetent rhetoric clogging up every thread.

Well there you go!

Bens rushed in and saved the day and corrected our erroneous chatter..

Yay, thanks ben!

you might be right Demon Dan!

Haven't followed that one too closely..you're probably right..

Mate, just lays the boots in at every opportunity..

Its sad really,

because when carry that much poison around with you - inevitably youre the one that gets sick!

Which in turn, could be a good thing, as it is greg denham were talking about!

lol..

No DD, I'm not a lawyer, I am an accountant

So you'd understand 3 is better than 2!

Only gagging with ya..

At least youre positive mate, which is a refreshing change around here!

..and appreciated.