MadAsHell

Back as our midfield coach for next season?

2, 4, 6, 8 Scully's lies were very great. Great meaning large or imense, we're using it in the perjorative sense!

I'll put my hand up and say I was one of the people that jeered Didak when he came off the ground. While under normal circumstances I agree it's a bit of a dog over the top thing to do to a player a minute into a game. Didak for mine is a p*$%k of a person and it couldn't of happened to a nicer bloke. He gives it to opposition supporters all the time everytime he kicks a goal, so just repaying the favour. As for Cale I have seen improvement in him this season but gee his mistakes are annoying. I've seen worse articles. I guess it's just trying to give a gerneral overview of supporters opinion of him.

Ok I'll play this game. My source here is footywire.com, comparing Trengove's averages per game for his first 2 seasons first with Cotchin's and then with Bennell's. Trengove 2010 Poss: 19.1 Marks: 3.5 Tackles: 4.2 Goals: 0.4 Cotchin 2008 Poss: 16.4 Marks: 4.9 Tackles: 2.1 Goals: 0.6 Bennell 2011 Poss: 17.6 Marks: 2.9 Tackles: 2.4 Goals: 1.0 Trengove 2011 Poss: 20.4 Marks: 4.8 Tackles: 5.3 Goals: 0.7 Cotchin 2009 Poss: 17.7 Marks: 4.0 Tackles: 2.1 Goals: 0.3 Bennell 2012 Poss: 22.4 Marks: 3.1 Tackles: 2.1 Goals: 1.2 He stacks up reasonably well I would of thought.....

I'm not saying all supporters should sit in their own area and neither is the OP. I'm simply saying that if there is a reserved Melbourne Supporters section, then only Melbourne supporters should sit there. If you or I or anyone wants to sit with supporters of the opposition, then there's several other areas of the ground where you can do that. Some people love sitting with a mix of both teams supporters and others don't. I grew up always sitting in general admin with both clubs supporters and personally I prefer sitting in the social club with only Melbourne supporters after having come close to blows on more then one occassion, that's my choice as is anyone's choice to sit in general admin or a guest area. By your argument then anyone should be able to sit in the MCC, but we all know that's not the case. Those memberships to are non-transferable.

Wow, just wow... There's a guest area for a reason and the tickets are non-transferable for a reason. End of story.

So I assume you can show me where you and others pointed out Trenners lack of quality and excitment over the last 2 years then RR? Unbelivable, the kid hits his first lean patch and suddenly he'll be nothing more then a good average player.... Also I don't recall Harley Bennell doing anything of any note at all last season? Some people have very short memories.

Whether he's carrying a niggle or just out of form, your OP is over the top and an over-reaction RR. If Trenners is still playing this way for another two seasons then you may have some merrit. Otherwise Trenners showed equal to if not more in his first 2 years in the game as Cotchin, Bennell or Ball did. And for what it's worth, while not at his best, I reckon his form has improved since the 2nd half against the Blues.

Agree with the OP. I to sit in that area and pay extra to sit with only Melbourne Members, if I wanted to sit with other club supporters, then I'd only buy a general membership. What makes it worse is that there's a guest area on level 2A, which is where I always sit when I go with my wife (St. Kilda fan) to the Melbourne-v-Saints matches out of respect to the paying members who don't want other clubs supporters in there. End of the day, as long as they don't carry on then it doesn't bother me to much, but if they carry on, well then there's a problem! Edit: Spelling

Spencer was out for the last 3/4 of last season with a knee. He did it the same week Jamar picked up his injury against the Crows. The points people have made above about Martin, Gawn & Spence are valid. Jamar's an All Australian Ruckman and is a war horse who can go all day if we need him to. Also he's a long term player who worked his way off the rookie list, if we throw a player like that away, what does it say to the other players when we're tying to build this really strong culture. For what it's worth, I think both Gawn and Martin can be really good players. Martin showed yesterday at Casey that he's got the tools to play that 2nd ruck/forward role, which means if he can put it together at AFL level, he wont be robbed of AFL games. And I see Gawn as our long term prelacement for Jamar. Let's just hope he can stay injury free. Another 2-3 years of development at VFL level will only be good for him. By the time Jamar's contract is up, it means we'd have a 24 year old monster ready to go. Spencer I'm not as sure about. I made the point in another thread I wouldn't be suprised if he found himself at St. Kilda next year. And the point you made about Jacobs, Mumford, Maric & Bellchambers. I'd argue they'd all shown more in their brief AFL appearances then Spencer has in his before they took the no 1 title.

Another good win by the Scorps yesterday. At first I was a bit disappointed they didn't win by more considering they were 37 points up early in the 3rd term, but given Collingwood had all the momentum and got back within 7 points, Casey did well to hang on. Here's my take on the Melbourne players. Gysberts: Pretty good for his first game back after a broken jaw. While he didn't dominate, he was still very good and it was he and Couch that helped steady Casey in the midfield in the last after Collingwood had been dominating the clearances for over a quarter. Will need a few weeks with Casey I reckon. Bennell: Did a few nice things and showed the usual class he seems to have at VFL level, but didn't have a major impact on the game. Reckon he'll be a bit like Juice. Very good VFL, SANFL or WAFL player, but wont make it at AFL level. Cook: Very good game. Was the difference in the end, Casey had a dominant forward to kick to in the first half and his kicking for goal was reasonable - could have kicked 6 in the end though. Not as much impact in the second half as Collingwood were forced to drop a player back after half time but he was very good using his body and creating contests. Will be a very good FF or CHF for the MFC. Martin: Best on ground for mine. The pleasing thing was he played that 2nd ruck/tall forward role perfectly. Kicked 4 goals and competed well in the ruck to give Spencer a chop out. He's got talent Stef, he's a keeper unless another club offers something decent for him in my opinion. Davey: Impressive first half. Used the ball really well, created some run through the middle and was evasive, even though he's clearly lost a yard of pace. It's no suprise that Collingwood came back after he went off. Only question is if he went off due to injury or in case he gets a call up as emergency? Davis: Probably the best game I've seen Davis play live. Was only beaten in a one on one contest on 2 or 3 occasions the whole day despite giving away 10cm plus and who knows how many kgs to his opponent. Wasn't afraid to run off them either to create some run. It's good to know that even after Frawley, Rivers, McDonald, Garland & Sellar we have even more depth in the tall defender category. Spencer: Probably his best game for the year I reckon. Won the ruck duel against Cameron Wood and linked up well to create an option through the midfield for Casey. Still sometimes gets knocked off the ball too easily though. Now that Russian has signed a new deal, and the fact that we have Gawn, Martin, Fitzpatrick, Sellar and Clark on the list. I suspect Spencer wont be on the list next year and may find himself as a rookie at St. Kilda. Lawrence: Wasn't bad Kelvin and used his pace well to break free of a few congested packs to create some attacking plays, but at no stage threatened to score goals for Casey. I'm starting to suspect Kelv wont get a third year on the rookie list, but hope he proves me wrong. Couch: Typical Couch game. Not for the first time I didn't think he'd had much of the ball and then got a suprise when I saw the stats. Works hard and as I said with Gysberts, was very important when the game was in the balance. He'll stay on the rookie list for another year at least. Tynan: One of our best in the first half, faded a little in the second. Uses it well and puts his head over the ball. He'll be a player Josh, and I love the fact he can play half back, midfield or forward. Love the versatility! Shehan: Worst game I've seen Jai play, but everyone has them sometimes. Was playing above his height and weight and kept at it though. Had a Rhyce Shaw 2003 grand final moment in the last, but at least the kid didn't drop his head. He's shown enough previosuly though to suggest to me we may have a beauty here! On a side note, it was very disappointing today to see that some supporters never learn, and it's probably just coincidence it was a Collingwood fan, but at the same time it's was more likely to be one of them then anyone else. In the week following an incident where a Collingwood fan had his membership revoked and was banned from attending games for racially abusing a Gold Coast player, I found it staggering to see the same thing happen at Casey yesterday. Loud mouth Filth supporter was on the sauce all day, and you could hear his speach getting more and more slurred as the game went on. Matter for him of course. Spent the majority of the game getting stuck into Davey, Bennell and Lawrence when he wasn't bagging out Cam Wood from his own team (mind you, he clealy didn't know who Lawrence was, as he kept calling him Bennell). But on at least half a dozen occasions, I heard him reffering to either Davey, Bennell or Lawrence as shadow! Now I'm a pretty thick skinned person, and enjoy a good sledge of a player. But I find it amazing after after the week that saw a Filth supporter have his membership revoked and in this day and age that we still get muppets like this! I'm sure that other clubs supporters have these types of fans also, but I found it typical it was filth supporter! Just goes to show, that racial abuse is only for the dumb and ignorant! Go Scorps, and go Dees!

We had two great lines, one after the other back in 98'. HF: Lyon, Schwarz, Robertson FF: Smith, Neitz, Farmer

+1, This! As has been the stock standard word coming out of Melbourne this year. "The last thing to tick over will be the score board".

Just like there were clearly issues with Richmond's players and Harwick when they were 0-9 only a few years ago. Sometimes it's just a case of new coach, new regime, new game plan and players who aren't quite good or experienced enough to implement it after less then a year when they've previosuly been playing unaccountable, downhill running footy....

Yeah his contract is up at seasons end. Need to sign up. I'd be happy to see him offered a 3 year deal. He's our long term CHB.

Seriously underated player outside of SA. That's about what it would take to get him from Port. And if we finish last meaning we get Viney with a second round pick, it's not like we'd be loosing out.

Said it before and I'll say it again. Moloney is only a restricted free agent, so he still has value. Even if he wants to walk to another team, as long as Melbourne can equal the money he's being offered, he'd have to go into the national or pre-season draft. It's only unrestricted free agents that hold no trade value. For mine, if the ladder were to stay the same it is now, we'd have picks 1, 2, 13, 24, 43, 62 & 80. Trade wise I'd be looking at: Moloney & Pick 62 to Carlton for Ellard & Casboult. (Ellard to play as our crumbing forward, still young and can't get a reg game at Carlton due to Betts, Garlett, Yaran etc. Shown he can go through the midfield also, and he's a tough nut! Casboult reminds me of a young Dawes, big brute of a kid and I reckon he'll be a player and could be a future FF with Clark at CHF, well worth a punt for mine!) Sylvia & Pick 2 to Port Adelaide for Boak and Pick 27. (We all know what Boak's capable of and he'd become our midfield gerneral in Moloney's absence. Throw some money at this kid Melbourne and get the job done, don't see how Geelong or Essendon can...) Petterd & Pick 13 to Gold Coast for Prestia. (Don't know the likelyhood of it happening but I love Prestia and he's a Melbourne supporter, I know he's contracted but might want to come home. Give GC17 a talented local who hasn't reached his potential and a first round pick as compensation. Delist: Bate, Bennell, Dunn, Green, MacDonald, Spencer. We end up with Pick 1 (Lachie Whitfield), Pick 24 (Jack Viney), Pick 27 (Rory Atkins?) and Pick 43 (Lonergan maybe?) and Pick 1 in the PSD where I'd like to see us take a punt on Lachie Hansen (potential CHF and has played some good games in that role in the VFL this year). I'd be looking to discard Davey also, but he's contracted and can't see another team being interested. Otherwsie looking at trading or delisting out some lazy players and other who just wont make it and bringing in some good young and physically competative players. Will take some aggresive trading and player chasing, but with our Scully compo picks within reach. I can only dream.....

Think you might be a little confused with another game there. We beat them in round 8 2006, won many more games before bombing out in the finals that year, think you're thinking of our win over them in 04'.

Early I know, but I'm going early. IN: Green (play off half back, kick out option), Jurrah (High Half Forwad/Deep Forward), Tapscott (same as Green), Watts (CHF) OUT: Bail (poor couple of weeks), Bate (hasn't shown enough), Fitzpatrick (team balance), Sylvia (needs to find some form) FB: McDonald, Frawley, Bartram HB: Green, Rivers, Tapscott C: Howe, McKenzie, Grimes HF: Jurrah, Watts, Magner FF: Garland, Clark, Davey FOLL: Jamar, Grimes, Jones INT: Bennell, Morton, Trengove, Petterd Fitzpatrick goes out purely for team balance. We need some good kickers coming out of defence so I'd like to see both Green and Tapscott playing off the half back line and sharing the kick in roles. Garland to move forward to provide another marking target and to reduce the damage his poor disposal can cause. Allows both Green & Tapscott to go back. Bail had 1 tackle! Not good enough for a player like him, while Bate and Sylvia hasven't shown enough so far this season. Watts and Jurrah to come forward and provide some spark. Moloney holds his spot just, thanks to 8 tackles. Was a terrible night tonight. Fire up Demons!!! Edit: Spelling.

It's even happened for us within the last 20 years. Won the spoon in 97' and then went on to a Prelim in 98' and should have won the flag IMO. That was our best chance to win one since 64'. White & Stynes sharing the ruck duties. A forward line of Neitz, Schwarz, Farmer, Lyon and a young Robbo who was keeping Shaun Smith out of the side. Shanahan & Ingerson holding down FB & CHB. And players like Tingay, Viney, Woewodin, Leonceli, Rigoni & Kowal ruuning through the midfield. That was the most recent to get away! So history shows that it can turn quickly.

Franklin = Frawley Roughead = McDonald Hale = Rivers Rioli = Garland Mitchell = McKenzie Hodge = Dunn Burgoyne = Bail Smith = Morton If anyone else gets loose and starts to create some damage we've still got Bartram & Magner who can play tagging roles and Petterd who can play a defensive forward role if he comes in.

It's tampering becaue it's altering the way the draft will play out. It means someone who would be taken at say 25 (Melbs 2nd round possibly) goes at 3 instead. If all recruting experts and the what not come out and say that Whitfield is clearly the no 1 pick and GWS nominate Viney as number 1 just to alter who Melbourne and there for other clubs recruit, it's tampering.

Just another case of the AFL having their cake and eating it to. Wouldn't GWS nominating Viney with Pick 1 when he isn't considered the no. 1 kid in the country also draft tampering??? And what about the alleged Victorian clubs lobbying GWS and GC to nominate Viney, surely that's draft tampering also? So either all are cases of draft tampering or none are. Absolute rubbish if we can;t arrange a deal like that!

Don't recall claiming that was a fact champ, simply using it as an example as the type of deal that could be made with either GWS or GC to ensure they don;t nominate Viney. Think everyone else could understand that one....

Exactly! Been mentioned on another thread that Blease wants to go to GWS to play with he who shall not be named. Maybe we tell them they can get him at a good price if they don't nominate Viney. Could be as easy as that!