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I'm baffled by the different timelines that people are using to bolster their positions. I understood that the sequence was: Oliver meets King - immediately goes to airport to Sydney for his overseas trip - meets with GWS on boat. Was it all in one day or over 2 days?

Whether you think he went off in a huff or not, it does seem strange that he was able to arrange that boat trip so quickly. Almost as if that was always planned, meeting with King regardless?

Praha, you should get a job as a footy journo with that sort of misleading tabloid sentence. It seems widely held McVee was always leaving so it had nothing to do with 'chose to leave after meeting King'.

Does he mean that the MFC is a gigantic iceberg that can sink the most modern powerful luxury ship?

And you know this how?

I desperately need a "Good Grief" emoticon.

I expect "Oliver speaks to @cleary" is that in-depth civil discussion they had when @cleary was hassling him at the airport.

Typical of these threads. None of us have any idea why he has gone ot Sydney. Did GWS tell him if you ever want to leave MFC, just hop on a plane immediately - maybe check if we are available. Or did Oliver fly up hoping to sell himself with no notice? Both seem unlikley - so reading anything into it is a stretch.

Why a say 'mess'. If King merely said that like everyone he has to earn their place and fit into changed game plans, and a player overreacts, then the blame is on the player, not the club. But as usual we are just guessing and those who like reaching for the razor blades can have a good time.

So no panic merchant is going to say the fact that he posted that indicates he plans to stay with MFC no matter what.

Does Morris ever say how he knows any of that?

OK, I'll go with maybe first bounce of the game. Given there are several umps on the field, that could be done with the one who is best at it and has a strong back.

Whatever the AFL's motivation, throwing it up wiill be fairer.

It's not the bad bounces that get recalled that irk me, it's the bad ones which don't get recalled. And by 'bad' I include bounces that advantages one ruck and disadvantages the other. I like tradition, but the bounce is too often unfair. But I'm amazed the AFL has dumped it without C'wood losing a grand final because of a disadvatageous bounce in the last 30 seconds.

Dimmy wasn't suggesting anything or commenting on Trac. He was simply saying he was confused and asking how these player contracts worked. He won't be alone in that. There are large slabs of these contracts that I at least, know nothing about. For example, while a club can hold a player to their contract, what protections has the club to be able to sack a player who fulfils "turn up to training, turn up to gameday, play football" but makes bugger-all effort or undermines the club in some way? There must be some, but I suspect it's a lawyers picnic if it ever went to court.

I avoid getting emotionally involved in what is being floated about trades mainly because I am completely ignorant of the entire trade process. For example, I see people suggesting Rachele involved in a trade for Tracc. But how can Adelaide just offer him up? Is he not contracted? How can they dictate to him where he will go? Thanks for any illumination.

If he stays, let's hope so. Otherwise we may have a uninterested player who doesn't mind if his trade value goes down in a year since a trade would be easier as a result. It's all very well to talk about professionalism ensuring maximum effort at all times, but there is always an element of something more around committment and passion.

Trouble is, if a deal can't be made and he stays, will we be going through all this again in 365 days?

It should never be personal, but sadly it has been so in this thread at times.

And there was I wondering how he'd play with only 25% of his body still at the MFC.

Good on you. Some of your best friends are female. (Where have i heard something similar before?) But your saying "I have...happy life thats not dependant on what private conversations I have with young professional football players and then act like they are a love rat" is simply beyond rude. Totally unacceptable. I think you will find you have trashed your own reputation with many of us.

So apparently we are in complete agreement, you just use posh words and I say 'white lie'. (Though why you threw in that sarcastic line about me never having lied to an employer seems odd in the context of my post - I didn't claim to be snow white). But you miss the point in your last para. What you say about player movement etc is true and we'd be naive to draw any firm conclusions until the ink has dried on a contract in the absence of any other information. Agreed. But I don't think it is naive to believe a player who has personally said to you "I've signed". You have to have some faith in personal relationships and that people are not always likey to be lying or you live in hell. Redlegs conjecture about Judd possibly having signed but his manager sat on it is interesting. Would I be naive to think that is a possibility, or would I be naive to think that is impossible?

Excuse me. I believe lying is bad. I presume you do too? So why is it fauz moral outrage to be [censored] off about someone lying? Is it that you believe players don't have to tell the truth about their intentions? You are not alone there, I agree. But a player doesn't have to lie directly. Rather than the direct lie of "I've signed".he can just say something like "we'll see, too early" etc. To be pedantic, even if that too is a lie (eg. if he has definitely already decided to go) at least it is not devastating to the person being lied to. A white lie is generally considered a civilised mechanism to not hurt people's feelings. Social intercourse would be pretty barbaric without them. Lucky we have you to condescend to us and cure our 'cute' naivety.

What part of that is 'rubbish? People should have a go at others? You don't believe GW was passing on info in good faith? She lied to us? You are not sorry she was lied to? And your earlier post about ego and arrogance - rubbish there for sure. Have a good look at yourself.

I heaard last night from sources close to the industry that SEN's business model isn't working and that they will soon have to cut staff. Announcement expected a few days after the Grand Final.